what is so special about barringer g10 pin?

A couple of makers use G-10 now. I had a cue with it (A Diveney) From a playing stand point I didn't notice any difference, from a stucturial stand point I beleive its used to add strenghth/weight.
 
Aren't they more prone to breakage than brass or steel pins? I'm referring to whacking the assembled cue right on the joint, or letting it drop a certain way.

I was told by someone that a particular cuemaker's G10 pins would break if the cue dropped a certain way... Not mentioning any names.

Flex
 
I don't know why one cuemakers would be more prone to breakage than another, G-10 is G-10 no matter who's cue it's on. As far as being fragile compared to brass or stainless I'm no engineer. Seems like brass is the softest of the three but I don't know for sure.
I had no problem with mine but it wasn't a feature I would insist on in the future, wouldn't turn down a cue with one either.
 
The reason G10 is used for a pin is that a lot of makers feel it plays better. Reason being the G10 flexes more like the wood does and so it allows for an uninterupted travel of the "hit" through the length of the cue. Metal pins do not have the same flex qualities and are believed to interupt & change the "hit" as compared to G10. Many top makers such as Joe Gold & Richard Chudy swear by this concept.
 
Varney Cues said:
The reason G10 is used for a pin is that a lot of makers feel it plays better. Reason being the G10 flexes more like the wood does and so it allows for an uninterupted travel of the "hit" through the length of the cue. Metal pins do not have the same flex qualities and are believed to interupt & change the "hit" as compared to G10. Many top makers such as Joe Gold & Richard Chudy swear by this concept.
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Very interesting. What about using pins made from wood? Aren't there cues also made that way? If so, which woods are better for pins? Something like lignum vitae?
 
Flex said:
Very interesting. What about using pins made from wood? Aren't there cues also made that way? If so, which woods are better for pins? Something like lignum vitae?
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Lignum Vite is extremely hard, but too oily i would think. It is so oily, it is used in marine applications.
Kelly
 
iammario said:
there is a barringer cue on ebay right now with the g10 pins, is that worth buying? (abt $500ish)
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No.

-Roger (okay fine: "imo"...also, whats up with the private auctions?)
 
My predator SE4 has the G10 pin now. The uni-loc pin and stainless joint collar was removed and replaced with and 1" ivory joint and G10 pin and mathced up with a Gold 314 shaft. It seemed to soften the hit and help balance the cue better. I heard that the G10 pin is virtually indestructable. Not sure if that is a fact or just rumor.. As far as the hit id say it hits 100% better now than with the uni-loc joint
 
> Joe Gold was the first one to start using it,acquiring the material initially from NASA,according to him. I've seen things done with a G10 pin that just can't be done with anyone else's pin,but none of those have anything to do with actual pool. The stuff just can't be broken playing anything resembling normal pool,and when it does break,it's always in the undercut portion of the pin,where the thread terminates,but I've only heard of 4-5 pins being broken period. Some of it is made in flat sheets,which are then cut into squares and eventually rods. Some,like the stuff Barringer advertises,is rolled into shape,theoretically making it stronger. He also has the stuff in black,which until recently,was almost unheard of. The rolled versions also supposedly cut cleaner than the sheet rod. Tommy D.
 
I read on here once that a CM pounded a g10 pin into a piece of wood- wood think you could do same w/ metal one. IIRC, it was stated that g10 would break if hit from side with a hammer-like object.

I have 3 of 'em. a playing cue and a j/b that has 2 in it. No problems and I love the way they play, can't say if its the pins tho. Honestly, I think its the Diveney in them that works for me.

Oh- I have also heard that one of the major upsides to g10 is its reduced weight vs. ferrous pins. I don't recall exact #s (though I bet some folk here could figure it out), but IIRC, g10 is 1/2- 1/4 the weight of stainless- brass
 
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The following is the correct weights for a shouldered, flat top, SW style, 3/8-10 pin.
brass 1.4 oz
steel 1.3
alum 0.4
G10 0.3
 
Varney Cues said:
The following is the correct weights for a shouldered, flat top, SW style, 3/8-10 pin.
brass 1.4 oz
steel 1.3
alum 0.4
G10 0.3
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What about a titanium pin?

Asgar
 
I once saw a guy slam a Cognoscenti butt pin first (G10) into a wooden bleacher, leaving a 1/4" deep hole in the bleacher. He had a lot of confidence in that G10 pin (it survived without problem). As for buying anything with the Barringer name on it, you might want to read some of his poor reviews in the forum "Ask The Cuemaker".
 
iammario said:
can anyone give me a cliff notes abt it?
is it worth the money?

thanks
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I dont know if anything special or not, but he seems to make some quality product. He sells cue components to some very good known cue makers. If they are taking his product it cant be all bad. I swear that he is a bit off of tap dead center though. I dont know for sure, but I would bet that he and persons in his shop bid on themselves to drive up the price (shill bidding?) everything is private, and he is supposed to have a 2-3 year waiting list.
 
sponge bob said:
What about a titanium pin?
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A quick Google search revealed this unverified statement.

"It is as strong as steel and twice as strong as aluminum, but is 45% lighter than steel and only 60% heavier than aluminum"

Ken
 
iammario said:
there is a barringer cue on ebay right now with the g10 pins, is that worth buying? (abt $500ish)
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I have 1 and I like it and I think its worth it - hits great - looks great - $500.00 for a custom full splice cue too much?
the pros are

- every person I dealt with at Barringer including Joe were as nice as they could be and went out of their way to accomodate me - I had some circumstances involving my ability to receive the cue in a timely fashion and rather than risk having the cue sit in some frieght companies warehouse - Joe suggested a method to work things out that involved more expense for shipping (which he paid) and never even mentioned - and also required a special effort on someones part at Barringer to accomplish. ( no one there knew me from adam)

I was astonished because based on things I read on this forum i figured Joe would be less then coopertive to say the least and maybe downright aggressive. He didn't ask me to over for tea and crumpets - but as far as customer service - could not have been better.

While I'm on the soapbox - the one thing I read here (AZ)about "Barringer's" that makes sense is - you never see 1 for sale here - maybe because the people who buy em like em and keep em.

now the cons - so far no joint protectors available for the G10 - Mine is 1 inch longer(my cue) and that G10 is big - so while it will fit in all of my cases - in the case I prefer the joint is too close for comfort with out joint protectors. - no problem with my instroke. (its just too big and bulky)

I have no idea why there is so much negative stuff about this guy and/or his company! I waited a year longer than I should have based on stuff I read (thats why we come here right?)

I assume its the "5 blind guys and the elephant story" or maybe I was just lucky!
 
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