What is the explanation?

alphadog

alphadog

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If I set up a long straight in shot and attempt to pocket the ball,and
have the cb follow into the same pocket,I experience-
In order of frequency
1 ball is pocketed cb misses to one side or other
2 ball is bobbled out cb goes in
3 ball is missed cb does not go in
4 object is accomplished-both pocketed
I do not baby these shots but hit them crisp.I can just get them there,
but that is not the point.
I believe I have a good concept of lines=believe balls are set up in line,so
I do not believe that is the issue.
I have tried this on really good equipment and got the same results so I
know it is me not the equip-or waitress either!:rolleyes:
My guess is I am not stroking into the cb straight-as in 90 in 90 through.
Thanks in advance,Jack
 
The only way to know for sure what the cause of this is to make sure the balls are placed on a perfectly straight line by useing a laser light or string to establish the line and the placement of the object ball and cue ball. I would mark them with hole reinforcers, or a chalk mark.

I would do this first and if I still saw things you noted, then I would begin looking at my stroke line and aiming process.
 
alphadog said:
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2 ball is bobbled out cb goes in
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This can't happen if the balls are straight in. If you have the balls centered, if the object ball goes a little bit to the left, the cue ball will go three times as much (angle) to the right, so if the object ball misses, the cue ball will miss by three times as much.

I agree with Tony -- set up the shots with hole reinforcers if 2 is happening.
 
Tony_in_MD said:
The only way to know for sure what the cause of this is to make sure the balls are placed on a perfectly straight line by useing a laser light or string to establish the line and the placement of the object ball and cue ball. I would mark them with hole reinforcers, or a chalk mark.

I would do this first and if I still saw things you noted, then I would begin looking at my stroke line and aiming process.
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This is particularly good advice about using a laser to line up the shot and using hole reinforcers to mark the shot so you shoot the same shot every time.
 
Man, I thought I was the only one that went thru this exercise.

I do this everyday. I have my own table.
I line up all 15 balls across the table at the 3rd diamond and place the Q ball at the 2nd diamond on the other end of the table.

I line the shots up visually straight in. First I shoot them in using a center ball, then line them all up again and shoot them all in using high spin trying to have the Q ball follow the OB into the pocket.

Using high on the Q ball and to follow the OB into the pocket is one heck of an exercise in stroke, stance, proper alignment and how to hit an OB correctly with the Q ball. Its a sobering experience.
I believe the most I have pocketed in a row is 6. My goal is to sink all 15 balls without a miss.

John
 
Bob Jewett said:
This can't happen if the balls are straight in. If you have the balls centered, if the object ball goes a little bit to the left, the cue ball will go three times as much (angle) to the right, so if the object ball misses, the cue ball will miss by three times as much.

I agree with Tony -- set up the shots with hole reinforcers if 2 is happening.
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Sir therein lies my ? If I am not delivering the cb on a straight line-swerve-0r curve due to english-
is it possible to get these results?If the cb curves in it has to throw the object ball correct?
Thanks to all for your time and feedback,Jack
 
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alphadog said:
Sir therein lies my ? If I am not delivering the cb on a straight line-swerve-0r curve due to english-
is it possible to get these results?If the cb curves in it has to throw the object ball correct?
Thanks to all for your time and feedback,Jack
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Jack
A curving cue ball might now "thow" an object ball any place. Just might strike it in a different place.
randyg
 
Long straight in shots are difficult; there is little margin for error. To become proficient at long straight-ins (or any long shots), begin with a close straight in. When you've made a few of those, move the cue ball and object balls farther apart as you develop confidence. When you start to miss, go back to the previous distance. Like all billiard skills, long shots are learned properly in increments.
Another tip: Aim at the bottom of the object ball, it's much easier to target than the center of the ball.
And one more tip: Pose after each shot to check if your follow through is straight and true.
 
Straight In's

After getting the shots straight with a laser or string and marking with binder reinforcements to be able to repeat the exact shot over and over. Then there are a few things to make sure:

Is your cue level? Your cue should be as level as possible, any elevation combined with not hitting on center causes masse.

Are you following through straight toward the target or off to one side?

Are you hitting the center of the cueball? Try using a stripe instead of the cueball - line up the stripe vertical and see if on the shot, the stripe stays straight or wobbles.

A great training tool is the Elephant Practice Balls. The cueball holds chalk so that you can see the exact contact point of your cue tip.

If you still get questionable results after lining up the shots as described, then try taking a video of it and post on here. The visual of it will tell us far more.
 
alphadog said:
If I set up a long straight in shot and attempt to pocket the ball,and
have the cb follow into the same pocket,I experience-
In order of frequency
1 ball is pocketed cb misses to one side or other
2 ball is bobbled out cb goes in
3 ball is missed cb does not go in
4 object is accomplished-both pocketed
I do not baby these shots but hit them crisp.I can just get them there,
but that is not the point.
I believe I have a good concept of lines=believe balls are set up in line,so
I do not believe that is the issue.
I have tried this on really good equipment and got the same results so I
know it is me not the equip-or waitress either!:rolleyes:
My guess is I am not stroking into the cb straight-as in 90 in 90 through.
Thanks in advance,Jack
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