What Is The Most Over Rated Cue?
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That's it i'm ordering a cue today but I want the forearm made from petrified dinosaur eggs, the wrap from the skin of loch ness and the joint, butt cap and ferrules made from unicorn horn. I bet I never miss another ball.
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Depends on what aiming "system" you use :wink:!!!
Maniac (sorry, couldn't help myself :grin
well like I said about cheap cues in the other thread , I will take a broom stick put a radial pin in it a lag bolt for weight stick a low deflection shaft on it and play just fine,,
IMHO the most important part of the cue is from the joint up,, and from the players neck up
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Asking what cues are "most over rated" is like asking what artist is over rated. I know I do not care to own anything but Keith Kustoms from here out. Keith is a great friend, and I think his talent is unmatched by ANYONE. However that is PURELY OPINION, other people wouldn't pay me $50 for my $4k cue. I could care less because i wouldn't sell it for 10k. It has more value to me than that. So that being said do i "overrate" my cue, or do I value it differently because of the very unique and cool connection it has to me and my son? (he finished my cue the same day my son was born, and then named it after him.) but how do you put a rating on a piece of art that speaks to you personally, for what ever reason. In order to "rate" a cue you have to look at it for what it is, a functioning piece of art. might play like crap but look really cool, might play lights out and look like crap, god knows you pay enough for one that does both well...
on the other hand, the deffinition of being over-rated, is really what your arguing. IMO I cant stand the way Lucasi and Preditors w/ that uni-loc joint play. I wouldn't play with one if given to me. Some people go crazy about them...
that is my morning ramble. Love it or hate it nothing is over-rated that some one will pay for.
best,
Justin
on the other hand, the deffinition of being over-rated, is really what your arguing. IMO I cant stand the way Lucasi and Preditors w/ that uni-loc joint play. I wouldn't play with one if given to me. Some people go crazy about them...
that is my morning ramble. Love it or hate it nothing is over-rated that some one will pay for.
best,
Justin
People drive classic cars, they pay more than they're prob worth, and a mazda miata will be more comfortable and faster, but it's their perogative, they shouldn't be knocked for it, especially on a pool forum. I'm a crappy player, always played with a sub $500 cue and still do, but I bought a Balabushka and enjoy owning it. Every few months I play with it and it goes back in the closet (it is for sale for the right price). But it's pretty cool to me to own a piece of history. To each their own depending on their love of cues and disposable income...they're pretty good investments also, if you know what you're doing.
I was playing a guy and beating him.
He said "I can't beleive I'm getting beat by a Lucasi"
I replied " I have the Mcfadden in the case I could play with it".
He said" Probably would not matter"
Some people look down their noses at my Lucasi untill they hit a few balls with it or I run a couple racks on them.
I feel that predators cues are over rated... The ones I've hit with don't have much feel, people buy into the fact that pro's play with them (because they are paid to do so) and get the idea that they're good cues.
The older ones play good but these new ones are way over rated and over priced imo.
The older ones play good but these new ones are way over rated and over priced imo.
+1, he understands somethings. but not much about wood or managing a hoard of wood in a cue shop for 20+ years to get what will work and not move around(to the best that can be). Took me years to learn what little i know
It's called a Delusion.
Kinda like I"d rather shoot with a lucasi with a great tip, than a balabushka, tasceralla, Szam, Big Boar or a Hercek with a bad tip,........
All that craftsmanship and exotic wood and ivory is not going to help much....
Now mind you, I'd much rather own the latter, even with the bad tips
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$1000 for a Schon.. Lots of fools out there.
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I don't know that there are cues and cue makers that are over rated, but I do believe that there are cues that are over priced by some cue makers, and cue makers that are over desired by collectors and buyers in the marketplace.
There are Lucasi cues that are priced at near or over $1,000. I've sold numerous Lucasi cues over the years, and when I was selling them they were ok. But anytime anyone started to look at a Lucasi model that was nearing 400 to 500 dollars, I immediately began to direct the buyer towards American cue brands such as Pechauer, McDermott, Viking, Joss, because in my book the customer got more value for their money. Honestly, if I had an extra $1000 to spend on a new cue right now, I can gurantee that Lucasi would be the last brand I would ever consider buying when there are so many other better quality cues that offer more value to the buyer. Lucasi cues have their place in the marketplace, but at a certain point your dollars are better spent elsewhere. Truly an example of a cue that is over priced.
On the subject of cue makers, certain cue makers have earned a well deserved reputation for the quality of their work, and in turn they have a very healthy backlog of orders to keep them busy for years with a nice guaranteed income to come along with that success. They are to be commended for their work, and their success. But that success with limited numbers of produced cues drives those cues into the stratosphere of prices that ensures that only the wealthiest of players and collectors are able to afford them. I certainly would not complaint to be able to add a Szamboti, or a Searing, or a Tascarella or Hercek to my little cue collection, but unless I win the lottery or find myself with my own reality series, it will be a long time before I see myself playing with any of those cues.
To me all cue makers that have been able to achieve success in their business have their place in the market place. So for me, when I look at buying a new cue, I look at what can I get in terms of best quality with the dollars I have to ensure the best value in my purchase. And in the end, that's all that I feel should be looked at. The import cue brands have their place in the marketplace for a certain segment of the buying public. But at a certain point the value of the quality of the their product diminishes as you spend more dollars and are able to look at other brands, American brands, brands that also help to keep jobs here in the USA, and at the same time offer a superior quality product.
So if your do your homework like a good consumer should to learn about cue quality and cue brands, and you carefuly spend your dollars to ensure that your purchased cue offers the best quality and best value for your dollars spent, then you never should have to worry about whether the given cue is under rated or over rated. Because you will simply have a cue that you can be happy with, that will last for long as you play, and be there to support your game as you game skills develop. And in the end, that should be all that matters.
There are Lucasi cues that are priced at near or over $1,000. I've sold numerous Lucasi cues over the years, and when I was selling them they were ok. But anytime anyone started to look at a Lucasi model that was nearing 400 to 500 dollars, I immediately began to direct the buyer towards American cue brands such as Pechauer, McDermott, Viking, Joss, because in my book the customer got more value for their money. Honestly, if I had an extra $1000 to spend on a new cue right now, I can gurantee that Lucasi would be the last brand I would ever consider buying when there are so many other better quality cues that offer more value to the buyer. Lucasi cues have their place in the marketplace, but at a certain point your dollars are better spent elsewhere. Truly an example of a cue that is over priced.
On the subject of cue makers, certain cue makers have earned a well deserved reputation for the quality of their work, and in turn they have a very healthy backlog of orders to keep them busy for years with a nice guaranteed income to come along with that success. They are to be commended for their work, and their success. But that success with limited numbers of produced cues drives those cues into the stratosphere of prices that ensures that only the wealthiest of players and collectors are able to afford them. I certainly would not complaint to be able to add a Szamboti, or a Searing, or a Tascarella or Hercek to my little cue collection, but unless I win the lottery or find myself with my own reality series, it will be a long time before I see myself playing with any of those cues.
To me all cue makers that have been able to achieve success in their business have their place in the market place. So for me, when I look at buying a new cue, I look at what can I get in terms of best quality with the dollars I have to ensure the best value in my purchase. And in the end, that's all that I feel should be looked at. The import cue brands have their place in the marketplace for a certain segment of the buying public. But at a certain point the value of the quality of the their product diminishes as you spend more dollars and are able to look at other brands, American brands, brands that also help to keep jobs here in the USA, and at the same time offer a superior quality product.
So if your do your homework like a good consumer should to learn about cue quality and cue brands, and you carefuly spend your dollars to ensure that your purchased cue offers the best quality and best value for your dollars spent, then you never should have to worry about whether the given cue is under rated or over rated. Because you will simply have a cue that you can be happy with, that will last for long as you play, and be there to support your game as you game skills develop. And in the end, that should be all that matters.
The first 20 years I played pool, I played off the wall. Thought is was dumb to pay for a cue when I could play with a house cue. In the mid 90s I started my banking career (had a few extra dollars) and bought my first cue, a plain Jane Joss.
The last 5 years I've bought between 40 and 50 cues ranging in price between $500 and $3,000. I love this game and I love playing this game with a nice cue. Personally, I don't view cues as overpriced or underpriced.
As I've gotten older, I realize how precious of a commodity time is. I want to spend the time I have left playing this game with a nice cue. Some people enjoy driving a highly responsive sports car. I say buy the best you can afford and enjoy. Find those things you enjoy and enjoy them. Don't hate on other people's enjoyment.
I could buy inexpensive whiskey, but I prefer single barrel bourbon. Both will get me drunk, but one is a lot more enjoyable to me.
Cheers,
Steven
The last 5 years I've bought between 40 and 50 cues ranging in price between $500 and $3,000. I love this game and I love playing this game with a nice cue. Personally, I don't view cues as overpriced or underpriced.
As I've gotten older, I realize how precious of a commodity time is. I want to spend the time I have left playing this game with a nice cue. Some people enjoy driving a highly responsive sports car. I say buy the best you can afford and enjoy. Find those things you enjoy and enjoy them. Don't hate on other people's enjoyment.
I could buy inexpensive whiskey, but I prefer single barrel bourbon. Both will get me drunk, but one is a lot more enjoyable to me.
Cheers,
Steven
Do lucasi's really hit that good? How would you compare it to other production cues in that price range?
The whole situation described is frought with absolutely no relevant information whatsoever. After all you have no understanding of how strong both players were in the described match. Were they equal in overall skill level and one player was having an off day? Was the winner a stronger player than the loser? Was the loser unwilling to possibly admit that the reason they lost was because their skill level was lower or was not upto par with the winning player? Instead the loser chose to put the power of the their defeat to their opponents cue instead of putting the blame squarely onto their level of play?
It is more likely that of the situation described the player that was shooting with the Lucasi was the stronger player of the 2. So consequently the weaker player, who in my book was also most likely alot less experienced, would rather assume that they were beat by the cue, than admit they were defeated by a combination of a stronger player with stronger skills while they were maybe not playing at the top of their possible level of play.
The fact of the matter is that every defeat that a player experiences is the result of a combination of circumstances at the table + the ability of the player to cope and deal with those circumstances. In general the winning player is the player that successfully deals with what happens at the table based on their knowledge and experience.
The pool cue is the tool to achieve an end result at the table. But its the player's ability and how they wield the cue that matters. Put any cue in any top level player's hand and watch they player play at their general top level of play.
If your a loser in a match you need to take responsibility of who is really responsible for the loss, that's YOU!, NOT THE CUE! I play with expensive cues, but when I lose I dont blame my cue, and I dont blame my opponents cue, and I certainly do not blame my opponent. I blame me, because I'm the one that made the mistakes that led to my defeat. And anyone that does not take responsibility for their own defeats and places the blame on something else, or someone else, is someone who is not going to advance very far in their game skills.
As to the Lucasi cue in discussion, Lucasi cues are ok in terms of hit. They get the job done, and in comparison to much lower priced Chinese imports they are considerably better in quality. But I would never spend any more than $200 for any Lucasi cue because after that you can get a better quality cue that offers better value when you look at the American brand cues from Pechauer, Jacoby, McDermott, & Viking.
TheThaiger
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By easily led bangers? Predator bashing.