What kind of cue is this?
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gobrian77 said:A member of a (non-pool-related) website that I frequent posted this pic asking for help with an I.D. (and a value, if possible).
Any idea?
Hard to tell, without better photo's of the joint, shaft insert, shaft collar and the botom of the cues butt. If not for the cues pin, I would suspect a Rambo but, I am uncertain at this time with out better photo's.
Hope this helps
I have an almost identical cue. Best we could tell, it might have been a National cue made in the Gandy plant by Dick Helmstetter. We showed him the cue at a show once and he said it could be one of his. Under the wrap was a full splice and the veneer colors were similar to a Titleist but back wards.
It has the same rings and steel collar, the joint screw is not as long, and i am pretty sure the white stuff is NOT ivory. I will have to go through the pile and find this cue again. Dont know how to post pics, I am still learning this computer stuff. Lucky I can respond at all. When i find the cue I will take it over to Willee's, he is the techie with a camera.
WilleeCue said:
Willie, they certainly are similar, however, the Butt Cap, and the Ivory Ferrule give the other cue a totally different look. The pin on the other cue being long, is not really a point at all because it could be loose and not fully seated. Who made the cue you posted Willie?
Take Care
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OK....got Willee to post the cue i have...and no....it is not a totally different look....they are the same model cue. I am REAL sure this was made by someone at Gandy whether it be dick, ricco, bob, or paul. The ferrule was probably replaced more than once, because the shaft is short. As for the butt plate, it was common practice to round off butt plates that were damaged or cracked.
Rockin' Robin said:
First, I am not saying they are not the same model, they may well be. However, you said (The ferrule was probably replaced more than once, because the shaft is short) Don't know how you can tell that by the photo
As for the butt plate, it was common practice to round off butt plates that were damaged or cracked.
I totally disagree with your statement above, I handle lots and lots of old cues that come through my Business for repair. Now to round off a butt cap like you have said would make it shorter than the cue Willie posted for you, which it certainly doesn't appear to be. Next, the cue photo's you had posted clearly show that your cue had a bumper at some point in time, and the other cue appears to be made not to have used one.
In addition, in my opinion your cue was made sometime in the late 1960's through the early 1970's due to the weight bolt used and the material the butt cap is made from. In fact I think your cue could have been made by National which was located in Chicago. The butt cap, the weight bolt, the pin and the joint all look like their work to me. The operation was not moved until late 1969 or early 1970 from Chicago.
Last, they copied a number of cues made by others and the cue this thread was started about looks to be very original and in very good played condition. I suppose it is possible that they took elements from Rambo and others and used those designs. But, this I can say for certain, the butt cap on the other cue looks like Rambo's work to a tee. I also would bet that the material is also Ivory like the cues ferrule, but unless better photo's are posted we will never know for certain.
Take Care!!
OK manwon, I am not going to argue with you. Just trying to provide info for the original poster. MY cue has a shorter shaft, due to broken off tenons. Rounding off the butt plate, to remove the chips, could be done with NO loss of length.
And just for your info, while cues of this type rarely make it this far south, I have probably handled more cues in a week, than 99% of the posters on this forum have handled in their lives. I have been buying cues since 1970 and had the pleasure to see the evolution of cues over the past 40 years.
And just for your info, while cues of this type rarely make it this far south, I have probably handled more cues in a week, than 99% of the posters on this forum have handled in their lives. I have been buying cues since 1970 and had the pleasure to see the evolution of cues over the past 40 years.
Rockin' Robin said:
Rounding off the butt plate, to remove the chips, could be done with NO loss of length.
Not like the cue pictured!!!
And just for your info, while cues of this type rarely make it this far south, I have probably handled more cues in a week, than 99% of the posters on this forum have handled in their lives.
These cue have made it all around the country, while they may be more centrally located in parts of the country they are not restricted to any location. I am glad that handle so many cues, but that is really a big statement 99%!!!!!!
I have been buying cues since 1970 and had the pleasure to see the evolution of cues over the past 40 years.[/
I have also been involved with cues since the 1970's, and I have seen them evolve. However, I have learned more about cues in the last 10 years doing repairs then I ever learned before that. In addition with the advent of the INTERNET, there is more information available than ever before. I also do not want to Argue with you, but there are certainly two sides to every coin!!!!!
Oh and by the way, you said that (MY cue has a shorter shaft, due to broken off tenons. ) sounds to me like you should have found a different repairman, because there is no need in making a shaft shorter do to a broken tenon!!!!
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I love pissing contests, as long as there is no wind blowing.
WOW, no pleasing some people. Cue was taken in trade and just thrown in the pile. AND, I have been doing repairs since 1972. Maybe we have never met, or you may have never heard of me. But I assure you, since the advent of the internet, more bad info about cues has made it to more players than at any time in history. While there is some good info to be had, it has to be carefully sifted through, to weed out the BS and just outright guessing.
I try to avoid the pissing contests and the flame wars, but I get asked every day to confirm something that someone has read on the internet, and people from all over the country call me to verify cues and values.
As for my so called "boasting", all I can say is, I am from Texas, it is the law.
I have several speeches I used to give at tournaments about the billiard industry as a whole, exposing the dark underbelly of the beast, and you Manwon may have inspired me to start a series of lectures. Whether that happens or not depends on my laziness, or my love/hate of the sport.
I try to avoid the pissing contests and the flame wars, but I get asked every day to confirm something that someone has read on the internet, and people from all over the country call me to verify cues and values.
As for my so called "boasting", all I can say is, I am from Texas, it is the law.
I have several speeches I used to give at tournaments about the billiard industry as a whole, exposing the dark underbelly of the beast, and you Manwon may have inspired me to start a series of lectures. Whether that happens or not depends on my laziness, or my love/hate of the sport.