What percent of the time will a pro runout playing 8-ball on a 7' Valley table?

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I play 5 games of 8-ball per week for 24 weeks, in a local VNEA Masters league. At the end of the season I've played 120 games, of which 60 I was the breaker.

A run out can either be from your break, or from your first time to the table if your opponent breaks empty.

We only play on 7' Valley tables with stock rails and traditional cloth (NOT a worsted cloth like Simonis or Granito). We use the standard green logo Aramith cue ball.

So what % of the time do you think a pro player would run out in this situation.

Thanks,
Rob
 
I can't remember where Ive read this or whether or not its true. But 30% for a break and run. Now obviously that increases significantly if the opponent only has the 8 ball or 1 or 2 balls left on the table.

I'm also sure the stats were taken from pro tournaments played on an 8 or 9 footer. I personally feel 8 ball on a 7 footer is tougher because of the likelyness of clusters. So again on a barbox the percentage decreases.

Hope this helps
 
Are we talking about open after the break or you got what you make? Hugh difference.
 
By the qualifications you state, of 7' Valley, thick cloth, regular balls, and can be by non-breaker if breaker has a dry break...

I'm going with 80%.
 
A real good amateur player can run out 25% of the time. Just my opinion. I don't even know what a pro is anymore....


Different tables play different. Some tables, you'll see a nice spread or break every time.

Then there are other tables with the dead bottom rail, and every time you break, some of the

balls just want to cling together. With perfect clean balls, a nice clean table, and good

lighting, the percentages will be higher.
 
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iusedtoberich said:
By the qualifications you state, of 7' Valley, thick cloth, regular balls, and can be by non-breaker if breaker has a dry break...

I'm going with 80%.
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No pro can run 80%. I would bet 35% would be high for the average pro. A top pro...maybe around 40%.
 
80% sounds about right. at the barbox championships (played on diamonds with simonis) seemed even higher than that.
 
On a 7' valley, I'll have nights where I break and run or table run 50% or more. Then there are nights where I might only run 1 or 2 of 10 racks. I'd say on average I get out 15-20% of the time from the break, and probably 30-40% from an opponents miss. I'm nowhere near a pro, currently an APA 7-8 (a weak 7-8), so I'd have to say a top player should be out at least 60-70% on the barbox. Looks like most everyone else is saying 20-30%, but I can't see that. Maybe at Hardtimes lol.
 
If you watch the matches between people like Glen Atwel, Stan Tourangeau, SVB, and a few select others in the US bar Box championships then you will see that the runout percentage is in fact huge for both players when they actually get a chance.

The reason they are not running 80% of the racks they "play" is because they do not shoot in that many racks, their opponents are making balls on every second break most of the time and that kills the chance for a break and run right there.

But how many racks do they run where they actually get a clear shot at the ERO? They run most of them, 80% is not an unreasonable estimate of your chances of losing the game right there and then when you break dry against SVB on a 7-foot bar box, especially a valley table.

In my own league when I "do" break dry or my opponent makes a ball on the break I am probably about a 40% chance of losing against the average player without ever picking up my cue again.

In that league there are many players that get in between 30 and 40 ERO's in a season playing about 120 games, and of those games played they themselves got broke and ran alot. For the tables they actually got a chance to get a break and run, they get alot of them.

That is top end amature level pool, not full on pro level which ramps things up another level.

Anyone who has played deep in even the BCAPL open division knows how key not breaking dry is because even 1 dry break can cost you a match where your opponent runs the set out on you. The top players in that division will average at least 3 ERO's in each of their winning matches where they won 5 games.
 
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