What Players Have Heart?

hemicudas said:
1. First has to be Louie Roberts. Too many examples to start a list.

2. Greg Stevens. Greg asked guys what they wanted then gave it to them.

3. Dan Louie. Played Buddy Hall even and liked it.

4. Keith McCready. Like Greg Stevens, Keith gave up the world and out ran it.

Now for today's players.

1. The first guy has to be you yourself, LJ. I dare anyone to argue with that selection. Lil Jon, has mixed it up with anyone at any time for years now. Jon, has flown to matches just to get robbed when he gets there and not on the pool table but under it.

2. Harold "Hitman" MacAbee. You guys check out the voting for the Louie Roberts award at the DCC for the last 3 years and you will find Harold's name right at the top each year.

3. Scotty Townsend. Scotty could easily be in the list with the older players also because his heart spans that many years.

4. John Drew Hagar Jr. Ask anyone who know, John Drew Hagar, just how much heart this young man has. John Drew, will jump into a ring game with SVB, Efren and alike. Both his parents were the same way.

I could go on but I thought I would let someone else take a shot.
Kudos Hemi! Louie Roberts had a heart as big as Warren Buffets bankroll
I had the pleasure of watching him win a tourney at Protime (southside Chicago) just months before he died. He got out from everywhere and didn't know what a safety was. He did absolutely no ducking. I don't think I have ever seen a single display of pure shotmaking genius that could match that performance. Philw
 
Putnam and Varner

Shawn Putnam comes up from the chair ready to runout no matter what the score.

I also agree with many posters, Varner has proven his heart over and over again.
 
derekdisco said:
I heard Fransisco wanted to double the bet and johny wouldnt. So fransisco wins the next set and johnny unscrewed. Thats what I heard.
iv'e heard this story for years and it was just like derek said, when they go to flip for the second set break busta asked"wanna double it" and archer was stunned. said no and busta wins to break even.
 
1) Mike Sigel runs 150 and out on you, but on the very first turn of your next match you run 148 against Ray Martin.................... you're Mike Zuglan at the 1992 US Open Straight Pool Championships and you've got heart.

interesting. everybody knows about sigel's perfect 150 and out, but i didn't know zuglan did more or less the same thing the game after!
 
Varner...may be all heart <all 110 lbs of him>
Bartrum...wow is all I can say

Road Warrior Award;
Toby Sweet..unless you seen it you wouldnt compute it
 
jayburger said:
iv'e heard this story for years and it was just like derek said, when they go to flip for the second set break busta asked"wanna double it" and archer was stunned. said no and busta wins to break even.
Gentlemen,what Bustamante said was true,I was betting on Archer and lost my money,all on the second set.Bustamante is a much better gambler than he is a tournament player.There are other great players that play much better for the cheese than they do in tournaments,including myself.My greatness is far behind me,so it could be possible that I will start to play better in tournaments now. Just kidding,but I hope so.We will find out after I enter the onepocket at the DCC. Merry Christmas to all,see you at the DCC.
 
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wincardona said:
Gentlemen,what Bustamante said was true,I was betting on Archer and lost my money,all on the second set.Bustamante is a much better gambler than he is a tournament player.There are other great players that play much better for the cheese than they do in tournaments,including myself.My greatness is far behind me,so it could be possible that I will start to play better in tournaments now. Just kidding,but I hope so.We will find out after I enter the onepocket at the DCC. Merry Christmas to all,see you at the DCC.

one of the few things I remember about that match is that one time two balls got stuck in the mouth of the corner pocket and there was a question about the rules.Then 'No saint'Billy was called in to give a ruling on the situation.
Another thing I remember from that match was the way Busta sprang out of his chair to ask johny to double the bet for the third set.

In the last 14-15 years on few occasions I ran into the backer of Busta for that famous match and that dude lost all his diamonds and wealth and is a very simple looking guy now.:cool:
 
wincardona said:
Gentlemen,what Bustamante said was true,I was betting on Archer and lost my money,all on the second set.Bustamante is a much better gambler than he is a tournament player.There are other great players that play much better for the cheese than they do in tournaments,including myself.My greatness is far behind me,so it could be possible that I will start to play better in tournaments now. Just kidding,but I hope so.We will find out after I enter the onepocket at the DCC. Merry Christmas to all,see you at the DCC.


if a guy ran that many on me, and I played like Busta, I would do the samr thing, its agood move, you gotta figure th guy shot his load and will fold up ESPECIALLY asking to double the bet. What else could have Busta done? Great move.

I play like shit compaired to those guys but I have done similar things in spots, where I figure the guy was playing over his head and I asked to double up, its like the cube in backgammon, it will really give you a good read on who your playing when you offer it.<----see Fatboy aint so green.:cool:
 
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> George Fels wrote an article back in the 80's very similar to the general point of this thread. In his article,one of the most notable examples he gave was a match Luther Lassiter played in 1940's Norfolk. He was playing a local player 100-60 in 14.1 for 5000. Luther was nearly defeated when his opponent caught a gear and ran 58 balls,leaving him stuck 58-8. Luther,risking a 10k turnaround every time the balls were broken or even leaving himself tough,simply ran 92-out for the cash. Adjusted for inflation,that would be close to 60k now. That is heart,period.

Another thing about heart that George noted correctly is that at some point,just about ALL of us have been or will be accused of not having any,along with 20 million other players.


The only players that have EVER accused me of not having an enlarged ticker are those that have never been in the box with me. I simply don't have the bankroll,or at the moment,the game to let it fully manifest itself.

I was a defensive back in high school football,and played late in blowout games for most of my 3 years on the varsity. Before an important district game my senior year,our best corner got arrested and kicked off the team,the other starter pulled a hamstring in warm-ups before the game. I started on 45 minutes notice,against an All-State receiver 6 inches taller than me and probably half a second faster in the 40. I held him to 2 catches for 24 yards,with no scores,and had 2 interceptions,a forced fumble,2 tips,and caused him to drop 5 other balls. He told me he licked his chops before the game,thinking he was going to pad his 178 yards per game average,and 19 scores. After the game,he said he felt like he was being double-teamed,because my heart was twice as big as any corner he had faced. He played in the NFL for 3 years. I'd say I have a little. Rib and a few others here have seen it too. Tommy D.
 
Tin Man said:
the match in the 1990 US Open was my favorite.

Nick trails 9-2 in a race to 11, and is cornerhooked. He makes a long rail kick, a tough bank, then gets to 5 before Sigel makes it to the hill. Nick then wins 6 straight games to put him away.

PLEASE, if anyone has a copy of this match pm me, I would love to obtain a copy and even accu-stats couldn't help me out when I emailed them. HELP!!!


If I'm not mistaken, this match is available now on DVD at the Accu-Stats website. Look under the "The Classics" DVD category. They've titled it "The Miss," for obvious reasons if you've seen the entire contest. What happens after The Miss is amazing as well. Personally, I think "The Comeback" would be a better title, despite the double surprise ending of this unusual match.
 
I immediately thought of Bustamante for getting second after his daughter passed, and also June and John Drew Hager. I've seen both of these players play with amazing heart - over and over and over again.

Side note, link from Johnny's website: 13 & Out!
 
Tommy-D said:
> George Fels wrote an article back in the 80's very similar to the general point of this thread. In his article,one of the most notable examples he gave was a match Luther Lassiter played in 1940's Norfolk. He was playing a local player 100-60 in 14.1 for 5000. Luther was nearly defeated when his opponent caught a gear and ran 58 balls,leaving him stuck 58-8. Luther,risking a 10k turnaround every time the balls were broken or even leaving himself tough,simply ran 92-out for the cash. Adjusted for inflation,that would be close to 60k now. That is heart,period.

Another thing about heart that George noted correctly is that at some point,just about ALL of us have been or will be accused of not having any,along with 20 million other players.


The only players that have EVER accused me of not having an enlarged ticker are those that have never been in the box with me. I simply don't have the bankroll,or at the moment,the game to let it fully manifest itself.

I was a defensive back in high school football,and played late in blowout games for most of my 3 years on the varsity. Before an important district game my senior year,our best corner got arrested and kicked off the team,the other starter pulled a hamstring in warm-ups before the game. I started on 45 minutes notice,against an All-State receiver 6 inches taller than me and probably half a second faster in the 40. I held him to 2 catches for 24 yards,with no scores,and had 2 interceptions,a forced fumble,2 tips,and caused him to drop 5 other balls. He told me he licked his chops before the game,thinking he was going to pad his 178 yards per game average,and 19 scores. After the game,he said he felt like he was being double-teamed,because my heart was twice as big as any corner he had faced. He played in the NFL for 3 years. I'd say I have a little. Rib and a few others here have seen it too. Tommy D.

Tommy Dilorenzo?
 
jay helfert said:
Tommy Dilorenzo?

Jay, I don't think this is the same Tommy D we know who is in Arizona now. I made the same mistake replying to a post of his some time back. I believe he is an east coast guy & an old pool scuff like us, if you read any of his posts. maybe he can enlighten us. John
 
I'm playing the owner of a bar one time. We're betting twenty a game. I'm $440 stuck. Barbox. I raised the bet to $100 a game and ended up winning around $4-600? I have it written down somewhere. I keep track of most anything over $200. Not that I am the epitomy of heart or anything, but that sure made me feel like it at the time.
 
jrhendy said:
Jay, I don't think this is the same Tommy D we know who is in Arizona now. I made the same mistake replying to a post of his some time back. I believe he is an east coast guy & an old pool scuff like us, if you read any of his posts. maybe he can enlighten us. John



A friend of yours from sacramento/sanfrancisco area by name paul with some Italian last name around the age of 62 has been hanging around the pool rooms in vegas for 8-10 weeks.he has a stroke what I call a 'hustlers stroke' and always has been looking for some game in one pocket and some times in 9 ball.
You are right.That guy is a nice guy and is NOT Tommy Dlorenzo:cool:
 
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Efren down 87-104 going to 120 against Earl. Ties it at 111-111. Then down 115-117. Wins it 120-117.
Allison Fisher? Comes back so often it's just disheartening to a lot of ladies.
 
Lori Shampo, God rest her soul, had the heart of a lioness. She would crank it up with any of the guys, just get the game close to right. Most feared woman cash player ever.
 
vagabond said:
A friend of yours from sacramento/sanfrancisco area by name paul with some Italian last name around the age of 62 has been hanging around the pool rooms in vegas for 8-10 weeks.he has a stroke what I call a 'hustlers stroke' and always has been looking for some game in one pocket and some times in 9 ball.
You are right.That guy is a nice guy and is NOT Tommy Dlorenzo:cool:

I heard my old friend Paul moved to Las Vegas. He pokes the ball, no backswing, and has always played like that. He is a good guy and good action for a pool room cause he is fair player and not a world beater and will play cheap for something to do. John
 
JoeyInCali said:
Efren down 87-104 going to 120 against Earl. Ties it at 111-111. Then down 115-117. Wins it 120-117.

Actually Efren was up 117-113, and Earl came back to tie it at 117.

With Efren up 118-117 he failed to pocket a ball on the break, Earl then scratched on the 1, Efren then missed the 2 with ball in hand, and Earl then missed the 3 in the side, before Efren finally won that rack and the last one to win the match.
 
PoolBum said:
Actually Efren was up 117-113, and Earl came back to tie it at 117.

With Efren up 118-117 he failed to pocket a ball on the break, Earl then scratched on the 1, Efren then missed the 2 with ball in hand, and Earl then missed the 3 in the side, before Efren finally won that rack and the last one to win the match.

And Earl's never been the same since. :)

It's a joke folks! Just a joke! I couldn't resist.
 
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