WHAT? Ronnie Wiseman isnt a scumbag?

Johnnyt said:
The biggest hits for me were from drug dealers, bookies, pimps, and believe it or not bikers. Most room owners that gamble can play a little. I was never looking for a fair contest. It never bothered me if I wound up with the best of it.:D Johnnyt
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How do you think those Bikers were making their money?:)
 
You would think anyone with gambling experience would never play without posting up. It keeps things like this from happening... I promise you will not get stiffed again....;)
 
People are always quick to complain about why pool isn't respected, more well-received by the masses here in the US (popular), and players aren't viewed as 'professionals'......well, this type of stuff is exactly why. Every time a story like this perks up to the surface, pool ultimately is the real loser. :frown:
 
jay helfert said:
If I could still make three balls in a row, I would swim a river of shit to play someone like Shawn. Every player wants to gamble with the room owner. He's the one who's got the dough. :wink:
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I made four in a row today. Want to back me? I'll pass on the river of shit.
 
miplayerstour said:
I just thought a new post had to be started since over 20 thousand people got to read what a scum bag stiff artist he was because of a previous thread.
This thread is truly not intended to beat up on Shawn the original poster of the stiff thread, its to make sure every one of the 20 thousand plus viewers of that thread see this one and know that it has been worked out just as guessed by anyone that knows Ronnie!

Some people posted in defense of Ronnie saying he would make it right if he felt he owed however, the majority chose to string him up some even making suggestions as to what would physically happen to him if seen in their areas! Thats actually pretty scarey to think about. What if someone had acted on that?

Either way, thank god the thing has been resolved at least for Shawn, lets see if we can help restore some of Ronnies reputation now by passing the word that its OVER and he WAS working it out with Shawn the entire time.

Next time before anyone types in anything negative about someone, you might wanna be dang sure its lawyer tight because you might end up in court for ruining someones livelihood and reputation if you hit enter! Probably best to settle it amongst yourselves whenever possible![/QUOTEB


If you hit enter you could wind up in court?? Dumbest thing i've ever heard! How are you gonna prove who was the actual poster?
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[If you hit enter you could wind up in court?? Dumbest thing i've ever heard! How are you gonna prove who was the actual poster?]


you are kidding right Donny - if there is a lawsuit the documentation can be retrieved from the owner of the website.
 
cueaddicts said:
People are always quick to complain about why pool isn't respected, more well-received by the masses here in the US (popular), and players aren't viewed as 'professionals'......well, this type of stuff is exactly why. Every time a story like this perks up to the surface, pool ultimately is the real loser. :frown:
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You should read the stories on the poker forums about the rampant cheating that has gone on, both in cash games and online. Two of the biggest online sites had someone on the inside with a "super account", where they could see everyone's hole cards. They robbed the high stakes games for hundreds of thousands before getting caught. It has yet to hurt their TV ratings or poker's image.

Same goes for pool. If a few guys stiff a few other guys and there is some business being done, 99% of the pool fans don't really know or care. All people want to see on television is players playing good pool. And if these same players are interesting characters so much the better. Pool will always and forever have a "runyanesque" quality about it. That's one of the things that fascinates people about pool.

The most popular pool player of the modern era was indisputably Fats, an avowed hustler. People loved hearing his stories about thievery and mischief. What were the two most successful pool films about? Hustling and conniving by some pretty shady characters. Instead of trying to sanitize pool, we should sell the game for what it is, a haven for rounders and otherwise unique individuals. I prefer to leave pool the way it is, with all the warts attached. It may ultimately be what makes it more popular some day.
 
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I'm not talking about Ronnie W at all in this post, I wasnt there and its not my biz. I dont care about what happened and I learned long ago(the hard way-not to hard but hard enough) keep your nose out of other peoples business.


I agree with Jay, nobody who plays pool for $$$ is a saint, all this PC shit that is inflitraited our society, having to pre empt everything thing we say not to hurt someones feelings clashes with larcny or gambling, I got raked over the coals here for my business pratices a year ago by the same people who celebraite busting someone gambling? Its cool to rob someone playing pool, but God forbid I call up someone and tell them to send me all of their $$$ and bust them, whats the difference??? And I havent done that since 96, the biz I had was legit anyways.


Robbing suckers in a bar playing pool is a criminal act when your a player, me playing Buddy hall would turn Buddy into a criminal because I have no chance, most of us looking for a edge, does that edge make us criminals? yes. I yelled out at the top of my lungs at the Derby in the action room to flip for $10,000 you could have heard a pin drop, no edge no action, yet the same people who wouldnt take an even bet with me go to asinos and have the worst of it????:confused: But had I yelled out I'm giving anyone in the room 9 on the wire to 11 everyone there would have played me for everything, right? thats larceny if there ever was.


you cant have it both ways being PC saints and pool players looking for a edge is a contradiction*

*A contradiction is a simutainous assertion and denial of a given proposition.**

**The law of non-contradiction proves that contaradictions do not and cannot exist simutainously.

for example you cant be in America and Russia at the same time, you cant be honest looking for a fair pool game and looking for a edge at the same time.


In english attempting to be a honerable gambler looking for and Edge cant happen larcny is part of the game.

maybe I cant spell but I did go to philosophy classes and I do pay attention to peoples moves, I didnt get where I'm at beibng dumb. Danny D made a comment 30 years ago about trying to ron millionaires "those guys didnt get rich being stupid" or something like that.
 
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After reading this thread, and the other RW thread, I can tell you that I have lost a lot of respect for a lot of people on this MB.

I can't accept the level of tolerance, even promotion of undermining actions while gambling. I guess I have a lot to learn about the underworld of pool.
 
Gregg said:
After reading this thread, and the other RW thread, I can tell you that I have lost a lot of respect for a lot of people on this MB.

I can't accept the level of tolerance, even promotion of undermining actions while gambling. I guess I have a lot to learn about the underworld of pool.
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All legal Casinos do is undermind their customers under the pretence of winning when you have no chance, and suggesting its a form of entertainment. Nobody plays to lose, so the customers dont have good intentions either, they are looking to take $$$ from the casino for nothing in return. There is no dignity in gambling.

A unrestricted gaming licence in Nv is a licence to print $$$. You might be right about having alot to learn, I dont know you and wish you the best, but never think any gambling is on the square. Best of luck-it does take along time to learn all the angles, and 20 something years later i'm still learning.
 
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I just watched Ronnie and Alfonso played 2 sets ....1. race to 9 for 2k...and 2. race to 10 for 2.5k...and both sets won by Ronnie...he posted every sets..After a long day in the Canadian Open he still has the strenth to play 2 sets till 1:30 am in teh morning.....both players played well....hope to see him again tomorrow in action.
 
9balllvr said:
[If you hit enter you could wind up in court?? Dumbest thing i've ever heard! How are you gonna prove who was the actual poster?]


you are kidding right Donny - if there is a lawsuit the documentation can be retrieved from the owner of the website.
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Ya I know that. My point is this for an example. 1. How do you know this is really me posting right now? 2. And yes they could see my email adress, but how can they prove it's me and not someone on my computer?????
 
The Beginner said:
I just watched Ronnie and Alfonso played 2 sets ....1. race to 9 for 2k...and 2. race to 10 for 2.5k...and both sets won by Ronnie...he posted every sets..After a long day in the Canadian Open he still has the strenth to play 2 sets till 1:30 am in teh morning.....both players played well....hope to see him again tomorrow in action.
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Well, there ya go Shawn, proof that Ronnie clown has your money. I'm guessing you still won't see all of it.
 
"proof"

donny mills said:
Ya I know that. My point is this for an example. 1. How do you know this is really me posting right now? 2. And yes they could see my email adress, but how can they prove it's me and not someone on my computer?????
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Donny,

The thing to remember is that if you prove something with over 50% certainty you win a civil suit. Even a criminal case doesn't require absolute proof to win. People have fried on circumstantial evidence although they are more likely to get life in the pen now.

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jay helfert said:
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What were the two most successful pool films about? Hustling and conniving by some pretty shady characters. . . . .
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Jay,

That is an easy dodge but how about naming the positive movies made about pool with some of the most popular and talented actors of the day, a solid story line, a major production company, and major dollars behind them?
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A short list ain't it?

Hu
 
Fatboy said:
Robbing suckers in a bar playing pool is a criminal act when your a player, me playing Buddy hall would turn Buddy into a criminal because I have no chance, most of us looking for a edge, does that edge make us criminals? yes. I yelled out at the top of my lungs at the Derby in the action room to flip for $10,000 you could have heard a pin drop, no edge no action, yet the same people who wouldnt take an even bet with me go to asinos and have the worst of it????:confused: But had I yelled out I'm giving anyone in the room 9 on the wire to 11 everyone there would have played me for everything, right? thats larceny if there ever was.


you cant have it both ways being PC saints and pool players looking for a edge is a contradiction*

*A contradiction is a simutainous assertion and denial of a given proposition.**

**The law of non-contradiction proves that contaradictions do not and cannot exist simutainously.

for example you cant be in America and Russia at the same time, you cant be honest looking for a fair pool game and looking for a edge at the same time.


In english attempting to be a honerable gambler looking for and Edge cant happen larcny is part of the game.

maybe I cant spell but I did go to philosophy classes and I do pay attention to peoples moves, I didnt get where I'm at beibng dumb. Danny D made a comment 30 years ago about trying to ron millionaires "those guys didnt get rich being stupid" or something like that.
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Fatboy, everybody is looking for an edge. Few actually judge it correctly consistently. Those that do get rich.

If you play the stock market, there are two sides to every trade. The stock market is the meeting place of fools. One person buys because it isn't going any lower from a person who sells because it isn't going any higher, and the vast majority of the time both are wrong.:grin: Winning doesn't make you a robber baron.

If you are playing any sort of game , you have to be better than the opposition to win consistently. That some individuals have unjustifiably high opinions of their abilities does not make it criminal when their opinions are demonstrably incorrect.:grin:
 
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