What to do here?

I only see three possible ways.....same as supergreen laid out.....then you could also go around the 2, off the rail, with hard left, or you could take it off the point of the side pocket and actually try to make the 1 (edit, Jude just posted this as well), but seems very low percentage to me....either way, that is a tough shot, I'd just be happy with a legal hit....
 
There must be something missing here, because the 1-rail kick is a done deal. The CB sits right on a symmetry line (I put the "A" CB on the table to show the symmetry). If you hit the kick with some pace and top spin, it would bend "long" & may cut the 1 in the side?!?!?


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Consistent Points?

I'm curious just how consistent points play from table to table. One of the reasons I have never been a big fan of bank shots as opposed to a thin cut or a good safe. Tables seem to vary a lot when taking rails into account in my opinion. Going to make a note of it and practice these. Interesting.
 
depending who I was playing ....

and in what circumstance, I might bank the 2 into the 4/6 to make a cluster. If against a weaker player, the attempted breakout or playing the hook off the 2 may get me a better shot.

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Neil said:
I did get the hit, but didn't make it. What ways can you come up with?
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Making the 1 is a fluke shot, and might work 1 in 20 (if that many).

I might shoot this if it was the right opponent:

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or this if I really needed to hit it:

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-td
 
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CTYankee said:
This is the highest percentage shot for me, as well, on the one.
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As a last resort you could kick to hit the rail next to the six and hop over the five. It looks like it sits ok for this.
 
The reason I chose to go off the point of the side pocket is sort of a desperation move. Even though some of the kick diagrams people have posted LOOK like they would work, in reality, these kicks are very easy to misjudge. Some of the diagrams posted are barely even possible.

Going off the point allows the shooter to take advantage of the entire ball. He's not aiming to clip nor worrying about top, bottom, left or right AND he has the added benefit of a HUGE side pocket that's facing the kick direction.

No, this isn't an easy kick to judge but neither are the others. However, the payoff is simply much much greater than anything else posted. Pocket that 1ball and you have near auto-shape on the 2. From there, you have a bonafide chance at winning the game.
 
td873 said:
Making the 1 is a fluke shot, and might work 1 in 20 (if that many).

I might shoot this if it was the right opponent:

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TD, I understand you would play this against "the right opponent" but frankly, you'll get tortured against any good player using this approach. If the person is SO HORRIBLE that they cannot pocket the 1ball and play safe on the 2, why worry about them running out? I'd play a tie-up shot if I was without options against a very good player and I'd look for something other than the 2ball.

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or this if I really needed to hit it:

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This shot simply doesn't work. On the first rail the angle of approach is different than the angle of reflection. Although that's perfectly possible on a pooltable, you can't get it to then reverse the angle on the second rail - not on a kick shot. You'll simply lose too much of the spin.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
The reason I chose to go off the point of the side pocket is sort of a desperation move.
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Put another way, this is a hero or zero move. If you hit the ball you look like a genius. If you miss you look like a super chump trying trick shots in the middle of the match.

BUT, this may actually work in your favor...

-td
 
td873 said:
Put another way, this is a hero or zero move. If you hit the ball you look like a genius. If you miss you look like a super chump trying trick shots in the middle of the match.

BUT, this may actually work in your favor...

-td
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No, I think you're misunderstanding me. There's a very good chance you're not hitting this 1ball no matter which way you go. At least, this way, if you hit the 1ball, you have a good chance to pocket it.

I don't think this looks like a hero/chump shot. It's a shot that many players hesitate to pull out of their bag but it's there and they know it.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I'd play a tie-up shot if I was without options against a very good player and I'd look for something other than the 2ball.
What would you tie up besides the 2 ball? What better tie up options do you see from here. That was the whole reason I said to push the 2 around.

This shot simply doesn't work. On the first rail the angle of approach is different than the angle of reflection. Although that's perfectly possible on a pooltable, you can't get it to then reverse the angle on the second rail - not on a kick shot. You'll simply lose too much of the spin.
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Actually, it does work. You can reverse spin on a kick shot. You just shoot it obliquely into the first rail and you won't lose all the spin. Honestly, I'm a bit surprised that at your level (as it appears from the internet anyway) you don't know how to execute reverse kick shots.

And, I'm not sure if you are just busting my chops, playing coy, or if you really think it won't work.

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