What Will Happen To All The Aging Pros

OldHasBeen said:
CCRIDERONE - #1 - Louie was 41 & didn't kill himself.
#2 - Fatty didn't die broke.
"I'm too old - To Die Young" - AND - "I ain't shaken, yet"!
WANNA PLAY SOME?


TY & GL
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Right, the gun just got accidentally in his mouth and accidentilly went off, right, got that one, thanks for the up date. He had been drinking double wiskeys every half hour all day and night long the week before the gun accidently went off, I know that from the roadie who busted him out a few days before the gun went off. The guy was taking every drug know to man. coke, Heroin, speed, you name it. He was a dead man walking. He would have never lived to make 45. He was left handed, played left handed, shot a gun left handed, but the gun went off right handed and his wrists had been bound and bruised.

Your right, he was 40.5, he did not kill him self, It had to do with his marriage to a 65 yr old woman and an inheritance. Somebody did him in and the story of him shooting him self was the cover. He loved his face being a womans man. El Duce, when he hit the wall, pleaded with all, dont shoot me in the face, none did. He was in capable of shooting his own self in the face.
Ok, there's the Louie story, now you tell me what you know, how much money did Fatty have when he died, I proved I know, you now do that for me. He made millions, blew it all. The IRS helped that alone as well for him.

My point is, live the life of a gambler, you end up dead, or with a destroyed body and mind, because drugs and booze always become your king. You will lose your family, your cars, home, everything you ever had. You sell your soul to the devil and get nothing back in return. You end up in the gutter all alone.

:D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D
 
Wayne - You say.........................

wayne said:
You no longer have that excuse for continuing to hustle
Wayne

WAYNE - I'M NOT LOOKIN FOR EXCUSES - I'M LOOKIN FOR SUCKERS!
Wanna Play Some?
 
WAYNE - I'M NOT LOOKIN FOR EXCUSES - I'M LOOKIN FOR SUCKERS!
WC, never give a sucker an even break or wise up a chump, ah yes indeed my boy.
This is the story of black jack, who puts this up on the internet for all to see. He wants the young players to read this and learn from his mistakes. He now writes for AZ, has a column on poolchat.net, writes for the upa where he and I now play pro 9 ball together on tour. I call him a good friend and highly admire his courage and how he changed his life.

My name is David Sapolis, and I am a professional pool player, instructor, and author. I am also a former Police officer for the city of El Paso, Texas. If you know me from there, hopefully it isn't because you wore my handcuffs. Anyway, here is my life story in one page or less. I was born in New Jersey and lived there until I was 13. I began playing pool at a young age on a little toy table that was given to us. At the age of 8, I learned how to escape the world by shooting pool for hours and hours. This was great until pool started interfering with everything else. I started skipping school and going over to New York City to watch some of the great players. One day I saw Cisero Murphy shooting and not missing, and my life would never be the same. After meeting Mr. Murphy, he made a deal with me that stated that he would teach me the finer points of the game as long as I attended school when I was supposed to be there. He even checked up on me to make sure I kept up my end of the bargain. I owe most of what I know about the technical aspect of pool to Cisero Murphy.

When I was 13 we moved to Florida, and with the absence of my mentor, I slipped back over to the darkside. I crashed every pool room that would allow me to stay, and I started gambling and winning money, and lots of it. It was around this time that I also started using drugs and alcohol. By the age of 14 I decided that all I needed was a cue with a good tip, some cash in my pocket, and my choice of alcohol or amphetamines and I would be able to survive anywhere. My teenage years are an endless blurr of failed friendships, relationships, bad money deals, and heartbreak. The more that went wrong, the more ruthless I became in my gambling efforts. Somehow I managed to earn a high school diploma, don't ask me how.

I always hung with the people that would get me in trouble. My first pro level tournament, I met a man named Mike Carella. Mike and I came up with a plan that would eventually lead to Mike becoming a legend on the road. I made several trips across Florida and the Carolina's with Mike, and I learned how to operate on the road. Sadly, Mike was murdered one night. Stuff like that happened to a lot of my friends. For a brief time I went on the road with the legendary Louie "St. Louie-Louie" Roberts. Louis showed me everything that I didn't want to be, as a pool player and as a person. Louie died several years back mainly because he had many demons, none of which he was able to conquer.

I competed in tournaments, and became involved in some very sour relationships with women, as well my backers. One night I began drinking in Orlando, Florida and woke up 2 weeks later in Edmonton, Alberta Canada. If anyone out there knows how I got there, feel free to let me know. I sure haven't got a clue. While there I lived on the streets at first, playing pool and snooker for small amounts of cash, barely enough to get a room and half of a meal. While I was doing this, I met Dexter Roberts.

Dex and I went on a tour of North America. We criss-crossed back and forth across the US and Canada, sometimes Mexico, kicking tail and taking names. One night while crossing back into Canada at Sarnia, Michigan, I was detained. Seems that before I blacked out and went to Edmonton, I had enlisted in the Armed Forces. The problem was, they still wanted me. So I was eventually deported from Canada, and sent to Military Reception Station, where I was then shipped off to Fort Bliss, Texas for basic training.

Upon completing training, I stayed at Ft, Bliss (El Paso) for 6 months. During this time, Dex came and we started hitting some spots in the Southwest on the weekends. This got me in plenty of trouble when I would end up coming back on Tuesday instead of Monday. They count that as AWOL. Anyway, I went to Korea for a year where I learned how to disguise my talents well while at the smae time making huge amounts of money from every GI that would play me. I would also meet & marry my first wife in Korea. She became my hostage. My Alcohol and amphetamine abuse was way out of control, and she took the brunt of most of that. Upon returning to the States, I took off where I left off on the road with Dexter. Dex eventually moved to El Paso so that we could terrorize that city as well as Albuquerque, Tuscon and Phoenix. My marriage crumbled, and the Army got sick and tired of me being drunk all the time. Imagine that.

In December 1986, due to several low points in my life, I took my last drink and my last drug. The Army was in the process of throwing me out, but after I cleaned up my act, I was allowed to stay in. I concentrated on my tournament career, and started competing in several satellite events throughout the Southwest and West Coast. I was very successful during this time period, and competed in the US Open in 87-88. In 1989, I was shipped to Europe. While in Europe, I played all the great players, including Bustamante, Souqet, Eckert, Storm, etc. I returned Stateside in 1991, shortly after returning from the Gulf War. I hit the pro tour with a vengeance, traveling with the late great Tony Ellin. In 1992, my daughter passed away from diabetes. This would change my life forever. I also published my first book, Stroke of Genius. I competed on the pro tour, and all over the country until 1995, when I became a Police Officer. During this time period, I abandoned professional pool to dedicate myself full time as an author and an instructor.

I left the Police Department in 1999, distraught and confused about where my life was headed. Soon after, in a moment of darkness, I saw the light. It was then and there that I knew that there was a black hole in me that needed to be filled.
My name is David Sapolis, and I am a professional pool player, instructor, and author. I am also a former Police officer for the city of El Paso, Texas. If you know me from there, hopefully it isn't because you wore my handcuffs. Anyway, here is my life story in one page or less. I was born in New Jersey and lived there until I was 13. I began playing pool at a young age on a little toy table that was given to us. At the age of 8, I learned how to escape the world by shooting pool for hours and hours. This was great until pool started interfering with everything else. I started skipping school and going over to New York City to watch some of the great players. One day I saw Cisero Murphy shooting and not missing, and my life would never be the same. After meeting Mr. Murphy, he made a deal with me that stated that he would teach me the finer points of the game as long as I attended school when I was supposed to be there. He even checked up on me to make sure I kept up my end of the bargain. I owe most of what I know about the technical aspect of pool to Cisero Murphy.

When I was 13 we moved to Florida, and with the absence of my mentor, I slipped back over to the darkside. I crashed every pool room that would allow me to stay, and I started gambling and winning money, and lots of it. It was around this time that I also started using drugs and alcohol. By the age of 14 I decided that all I needed was a cue with a good tip, some cash in my pocket, and my choice of alcohol or amphetamines and I would be able to survive anywhere. My teenage years are an endless blurr of failed friendships, relationships, bad money deals, and heartbreak. The more that went wrong, the more ruthless I became in my gambling efforts. Somehow I managed to earn a high school diploma, don't ask me how.

I always hung with the people that would get me in trouble. My first pro level tournament, I met a man named Mike Carella. Mike and I came up with a plan that would eventually lead to Mike becoming a legend on the road. I made several trips across Florida and the Carolina's with Mike, and I learned how to operate on the road. Sadly, Mike was murdered one night. Stuff like that happened to a lot of my friends. For a brief time I went on the road with the legendary Louie "St. Louie-Louie" Roberts. Louis showed me everything that I didn't want to be, as a pool player and as a person. Louie died several years back mainly because he had many demons, none of which he was able to conquer.

I competed in tournaments, and became involved in some very sour relationships with women, as well my backers. One night I began drinking in Orlando, Florida and woke up 2 weeks later in Edmonton, Alberta Canada. If anyone out there knows how I got there, feel free to let me know. I sure haven't got a clue. While there I lived on the streets at first, playing pool and snooker for small amounts of cash, barely enough to get a room and half of a meal. While I was doing this, I met Dexter Roberts.

Dex and I went on a tour of North America. We criss-crossed back and forth across the US and Canada, sometimes Mexico, kicking tail and taking names. One night while crossing back into Canada at Sarnia, Michigan, I was detained. Seems that before I blacked out and went to Edmonton, I had enlisted in the Armed Forces. The problem was, they still wanted me. So I was eventually deported from Canada, and sent to Military Reception Station, where I was then shipped off to Fort Bliss, Texas for basic training.

Upon completing training, I stayed at Ft, Bliss (El Paso) for 6 months. During this time, Dex came and we started hitting some spots in the Southwest on the weekends. This got me in plenty of trouble when I would end up coming back on Tuesday instead of Monday. They count that as AWOL. Anyway, I went to Korea for a year where I learned how to disguise my talents well while at the smae time making huge amounts of money from every GI that would play me. I would also meet & marry my first wife in Korea. She became my hostage. My Alcohol and amphetamine abuse was way out of control, and she took the brunt of most of that. Upon returning to the States, I took off where I left off on the road with Dexter. Dex eventually moved to El Paso so that we could terrorize that city as well as Albuquerque, Tuscon and Phoenix. My marriage crumbled, and the Army got sick and tired of me being drunk all the time. Imagine that.

In December 1986, due to several low points in my life, I took my last drink and my last drug. The Army was in the process of throwing me out, but after I cleaned up my act, I was allowed to stay in. I concentrated on my tournament career, and started competing in several satellite events throughout the Southwest and West Coast. I was very successful during this time period, and competed in the US Open in 87-88. In 1989, I was shipped to Europe. While in Europe, I played all the great players, including Bustamante, Souqet, Eckert, Storm, etc. I returned Stateside in 1991, shortly after returning from the Gulf War. I hit the pro tour with a vengeance, traveling with the late great Tony Ellin. In 1992, my daughter passed away from diabetes. This would change my life forever. I also published my first book, Stroke of Genius. I competed on the pro tour, and all over the country until 1995, when I became a Police Officer. During this time period, I abandoned professional pool to dedicate myself full time as an author and an instructor.

I left the Police Department in 1999, distraught and confused about where my life was headed. Soon after, in a moment of darkness, I saw the light. It was then and there that I knew that there was a black hole in me that needed to be filled.
 
The only thing you proved is.....................

ccriderone YOU SAID - "I proved I know" [/QUOTE said:
ALL YOU PROVED IS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW.

AND THE FACT YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE DEAD OR A GREAT PLAYER.

I THINK YOUR JUST ONE OF THE FRUSTRATED WANNABE'S THAT NEVER DID OR COULD HAVE MADE IT.

Are you aware that alcohol & substance abuse is SOMETIMES not a choice but rather a predetermined destiny decided by your genes?


YOU ALSO RATTLED ON SAYING - "My point is, live the life of a gambler, you end up dead, or with a destroyed body and mind, because drugs and booze always become your king. You will lose your family, your cars, home, everything you ever had. You sell your soul to the devil and get nothing back in return. You end up in the gutter all alone".
You must be speaking from your own experiences because that is sure not what I remember of MY past.
I'll admit that I never considered myself a GAMBLER but just a Pool & Gin player who WAGERS on MY SKILL.

I'll bet your one of those people who when asked - Is the glass half full or half empty? - You say "What Glass"?
In other words - Your clueless as to how anything outside of your small, small world really is.

TY & GL
Ps. I'll also bet you have and treasure Louie's autograph.
 
OldHasBeen said:
WAYNE - I'M NOT LOOKIN FOR EXCUSES - I'M LOOKIN FOR SUCKERS!
Wanna Play Some?


LMFAO...I think whatever intervention to come between OHB and Wayne isn't going to be mine....it's going to have to be DIVINE INTERVENTION! :D :D
 
OldHasBeen said:
ccriderone YOU SAID - "I proved I know" [/QUOTE said:
ALL YOU PROVED IS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW.

AND THE FACT YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE DEAD OR A GREAT PLAYER.

I THINK YOUR JUST ONE OF THE FRUSTRATED WANNABE'S THAT NEVER DID OR COULD HAVE MADE IT.

Are you aware that alcohol & substance abuse is SOMETIMES not a choice but rather a predetermined destiny decided by your genes?


YOU ALSO RATTLED ON SAYING - "My point is, live the life of a gambler, you end up dead, or with a destroyed body and mind, because drugs and booze always become your king. You will lose your family, your cars, home, everything you ever had. You sell your soul to the devil and get nothing back in return. You end up in the gutter all alone".
You must be speaking from your own experiences because that is sure not what I remember of MY past.
I'll admit that I never considered myself a GAMBLER but just a Pool & Gin player who WAGERS on MY SKILL.

I'll bet your one of those people who when asked - Is the glass half full or half empty? - You say "What Glass"?
In other words - Your clueless as to how anything outside of your small, small world really is.

TY & GL
Ps. I'll also bet you have and treasure Louie's autograph.

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Naw, I don't have his autograph, its just every time I mention the guys name, you guys challenge me, If I said he died, you go off on me and attack me like I have done some Sacralidge to his memory. You've done that twice to me before in here, so don't go there a 3rd time. You repeat history, you boys just shoot the messenger cause you dont like the message. I gambled on my game from the late 50's to 1973 when I retired from that world. I had my time out there, trust me on that. No matter what you have done, I have faded it twice over. I have lived 3 life times to your one, so don't even go off on me this time with that S***> I don't want to hear it. :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D
 
i cant belive people still have a misconception about 'real' pool players and thier finances...
 
OldHasBeen said:
- I'M NOT LOOKIN FOR EXCUSES - I'M LOOKIN FOR SUCKERS!Wanna Play Some

Nah. There is no upside to playing your type. You start out begging for a spot and then after you lose a game you start to want to adjust. You have already said you aren't interested in a fair game and I am no SUCKER so I am out of your league.

Wayne
 
drivermaker said:
LMFAO...I think whatever intervention to come between OHB and Wayne isn't going to be mine....it's going to have to be DIVINE INTERVENTION! :D :D

Thanks for the effort, you did good. I know his type and I know his hype.

Wayne
 
I have discovered your problem...............

ccriderone - I gambled on my game from the late 50's to 1973 when I retired from that world. [/QUOTE said:
ccriderone - THAT'S IT!
YOU WERE GAMBLING WHEN YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTING!

You also say - "I don't want to hear it".
Is someone forcing you to keep re-visiting this "positive" POOL SITE?

TY & GL
 
I'm gonna start telling fortunes - I knew you wouldn't play!

wayne said:
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"You have already said you aren't interested in a fair game".
Wayne[/QUOTE

I AM VERY INTERESTED IN A GAME WE BOTH THINK IS FAIR!
WHAT I AM BETTING ON IS THE KNOWLEDGE & EXPERIENCE THAT I POSSESS THAT WILL GET YOU TO "TRAP YOURSELF".

You see I have been there and done that also - The only difference is -
I was successful.

TY & GL
 
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No matter what you have done, I have faded it twice over. I have lived 3 life times to your one, so don't even go off on me this time with that S***> I don't want to hear it. :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D


Wow Larry! That makes you over 220 years old!!!
 
straybullet said:
Wow Larry! That makes you over 220 years old!!!
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nAW, dont believe that rumor, I was born in 1904, Teddy was prez, every prez since him has been a ferry, or a crook. Maybe Truman was cool, but after him, bozos. You never heard of living 3 lifetimes in the space of one. You never heard of Errol Flynn???

:D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D
 
ccriderone said:
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You never heard of living 3 lifetimes in the space of one. You never heard of Errol Flynn???

:D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

Did he play pool??? If he did, could he run 3 fookin' balls?
 
Larry - Errol Flynn was a Faggot!

ccriderone said:
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nAW, dont believe that rumor, I was born in 1904, Teddy was prez, every prez since him has been a ferry, or a crook. Maybe Truman was cool, but after him, bozos. You never heard of living 3 lifetimes in the space of one. You never heard of Errol Flynn???

:D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

I'll also bet you were a big fan of Edgar Hoover.

TY & GL
 
straybullet said:
Did he play pool??? If he did, could he run 3 fookin' balls?

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Teddy R, in 1904, Are you kidding, he could drink you under the table, kick yo ass, he had his own Brunswick billiard table in the white house and could run a 40 or 50 on you in straight rail. They did not play hardly any pool in ought 4, just balk line. Real men did not play pool, they played billiards. He packed heat, hell he could be a roadie today. :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D
 
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straybullet said:
Did he play pool??? If he did, could he run 3 fookin' balls?
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oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh excuse me, Errol Flynn, no he could not run 3 fookin balls, all he did was bang every starlette in Hollywood, drink up all the good pinch in town and make movies and sail his 100' yacht to encenada. He was a simple man, like me. Now and then he would get into a real good sword fight, it might be on the set, or in some chicks bedroom when the husband came home early. When he died at 50 and they did the ortopsy, the doctor said, there lays a 200 year old man. :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
Cheese: "Do you play and have you played in any tournaments and where?"
Mars: "No, I actually was never a tournament player.

You need to get your facts straight NN. The guy was never a road player. That is what this thread was about. Jeezz!
You feel better now.
Purdman

Don't you remember when they first started advertising for no limit 9-ball which is ballbreakers now that it said the show was being put together by 'Mars Callahan, a pool hustler who has won over $500,000 in money games and tournament play" or something like that. I thought everyone heard about this lie and had a good laugh about it.

And who is NN?
 
LastTwo said:
Don't you remember when they first started advertising for no limit 9-ball which is ballbreakers now that it said the show was being put together by 'Mars Callahan, a pool hustler who has won over $500,000 in money games and tournament play" or something like that. I thought everyone heard about this lie and had a good laugh about it.

And who is NN?

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I had a pal see him play and said at best he was an apa 5, definetely no pro or roadie and the 500K had to be all con and Hollywood bs in order to sell his movies or scripts. These guys hang around Hollywood billiards with a bunch of ferries and eventually buy into their own bs. :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D
Whoop te do da, he did one half ass movie, half the world hated.
 
ccriderone said:
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I had a pal see him play and said at best he was an apa 5, definetely no pro or roadie and the 500K had to be all con and Hollywood bs in order to sell his movies or scripts. These guys hang around Hollywood billiards with a bunch of ferries and eventually buy into their own bs. :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D
Whoop te do da, he did one half ass movie, half the world hated.

I wouldn't knock Mars too hard since he just bought a couple million dollar house and I believe he has a movie script or two that has been bought up besides his TV show. Sounds like he is doing something right. Also, I have been to Hollywood Billiards many times and I don't where you got the idea it is a hang out for fairies. I saw Lennox Lewis playing in there, and a number of bouncers and hit men, NBA stars, Playboy bunnies, movie stars, TV stars etc. but I never noticed any fairies. Maybe it takes one to notice a bunch of them. LOL

Wayne
 
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