What would you do here? (one pocket: return break)

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Hi everyone,

Hope you all had nice weekend in such a beatiful weather. Let's have another run of table talk for the new week.

one pocket break

This is a typical layout after a one pocket break on a tight pocket table, you have the lower pocket. Let's hear your return break shot and possibly what your opponent would do after you. be as detailed as possible and explain your thughts. This is an open ended question, so there is no fixed answer.

Also, assume you are under different situation:
playing a pro getting 10-6
playing someone even: 8-8
playing a weaker player giving 10-6

Cheers
Wei

Note 6.26.06:
There have been 3 threads to this specific topic.

Part I - What would you do here? (one pocket: return break)

part II: Possible shots after the return break

part III: Getting Back to You
 
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Bah, why do all the good posts go up right as I'm heading out? I see one pretty good return, but I've got a pool date with sjm to head off to. I'll try to remember to post when I get back

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Since I am not much of a One Pocket player---I'll start it out.

I would shoot the 14 into the 12 with a stop shot (hopefully it is on that day because the cueball is close to the rail). Both the 14 and 12 should go towards my side of the table and the cueball will barely nudge the 15 or freeze up to the side of it.

You set up a pretty good shot.
 
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Bank the 14 into the 6 trying to move the 4 towards your hole. take the cueball to the top side rail and as far down table as possible.

The 10 ball is a real problem here. I might even consider going off the 1 and try to move the ten a bit off the bottom rail, hopefully blocking the 9 from being banked.
 
Tennesseejoe said:
Since I am not much of a One Pocket player---I'll star it out.

I would shoot the 14 into the 12 with a stop shot (hopefully it is on that day because the cueball is close to the rail). Both the 14 and 12 should go towards my side of the table and the cueball will barely nudge the 15 or freeze up to the side of it.

You set up a pretty good shot.
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This looks to be very difficult to avoid leaving a cut shot on the 13 to combo the ten. Also the 15/3 combo looks to be not makeable but a slight bump might move the balls in line for a dead combo on the ten.
 
cuetable said:
Hi everyone,

Hope you all had nice weekend in such a beatiful weather. Let's have another run of table talk for the new week.

one pocket break

This is a typical layout after a one pocket break on a tight pocket table, you have the lower pocket. Let's hear your return break shot and possibly what your opponent would do after you. be as detailed as possible and explain your thughts. This is an open ended question, so there is no fixed answer.

Also, assume you are under different situation:
playing a pro getting 10-6
playing someone even: 8-8
playing a weaker player giving 10-6

Cheers
Wei
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That's a tough spot. I like the hero shot of banking the 1 back and sending the CB three rails to nudge and hide behind the 10 (ideally, it goes to the 4th rail and then hits the 10). I'd try that against a weaker player since I could probably get away with it then and it would be fun to try. I'd also be tempted to try that against a pro, since I've got nothing good on my side and so I'm a pretty big underdog unless I make a great shot.

Playing someone even, I'd probably draw off the 14 and try to stick on the 2 and 7.

Cory

P.S. I can draw my shot on the cuetable.com table, now how do I paste it here?
 
Cory in DC said:
That's a tough spot. I like the hero shot of banking the 1 back and sending the CB three rails to nudge and hide behind the 10 (ideally, it goes to the 4th rail and then hits the 10). I'd try that against a weaker player since I could probably get away with it then and it would be fun to try. I'd also be tempted to try that against a pro, since I've got nothing good on my side and so I'm a pretty big underdog unless I make a great shot.

Playing someone even, I'd probably draw off the 14 and try to stick on the 2 and 7.

Cory

P.S. I can draw my shot on the cuetable.com table, now how do I paste it here?
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I don't like that shot very much because you're leaving them on the wrong side of the stack. And there's an easy out (Play into the 15-3 then to the end rail. If you make the 10, you have more shots, if you miss, you leave tough)

I probably would play off the 1 to the back of the 10, trying to leave the CB stuck on the 10 on the top rail side. If I hit the 10 directly and moved it, the 10 would block the 9 bank.

The best offensive shot IMO would be the 14 bank into the 6-8-4, but you'd better be sure with that 10 ball where it is. It's hard to tell from the diagram if that shot is wired, but if it is, that might be an option.

Cheers,
RC
 
cuetable said:
Hi everyone,

Hope you all had nice weekend in such a beatiful weather. Let's have another run of table talk for the new week.

one pocket break

This is a typical layout after a one pocket break on a tight pocket table, you have the lower pocket. Let's hear your return break shot and possibly what your opponent would do after you. be as detailed as possible and explain your thughts. This is an open ended question, so there is no fixed answer.

Also, assume you are under different situation:
playing a pro getting 10-6
playing someone even: 8-8
playing a weaker player giving 10-6

Cheers
Wei
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I used to sit and watch one pocket quite often with Danny DiLiberto and it always came up where he would make a comment about players being unwilling or not considering taking a foul.
 
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I would bank the 5 uptable with a soft shot using bottom to draw the CB across the bottom of the table and land underneath the 10.
 
Hi Cory:

Press capital "S" to save the page first and then press capital "E" to export data. The table layout code will then be copied into your computer clipboard memory.

Come back to the form and write "My Shot". Highlight "My Shot" and click on the earth & link icon in your post window and hit control-V to paste the data.

Enjoy!

Cheers
Wei
 
From first glimpse.. I'm hitting the 5 soft with a little bottom and coming under the 10, trying to stay under it (frozen to is best). Also paying attention to keeping the 5 near the pocket, but behind the stack from your opponent.
 
Playing off of the 5 to end up near/under the 10 is the wrong shot imo. You could very easily scratch straight in or off the 10, and even if you dont scratch you leave the 9 bank with the 10 as a backboard to make the bank easy.
 
This is certainly a tough spot. Macguy, where wouoold you take an intenionl foul at? If you put the cue in the stack, you leave the 15-13 combo. If you put the cueball in front of the upper right corner pocket (as the diagram is orineted), the player can kick softly onto the 5, or even take a return scratch and put you where you just were.

I think I would kick 3 raisls with the cue like previeiolsly posted and hope to go behinkd he 10.

Here is antoher option no one posted yet. I wouldn't play it, but maye a pro player would.

My Shot
 
uwate said:
Playing off of the 5 to end up near/under the 10 is the wrong shot imo. You could very easily scratch straight in or off the 10, and even if you dont scratch you leave the 9 bank with the 10 as a backboard to make the bank easy.
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Thanks for saying that the 5 is no good- you right!

My shot? Well, I think the fact that the CB is off the rail is important, I also think that (unless you are betting really high or on your last barrel) 1P should be played like you are grabbin nutz at rippin' em off!

shot 1: center R (6/10 power) CB into 14-> 14 bank into underside of 13, all balls are pionted toward my hole. try to leave CB up table, 1 diamond max distance from corner on either top or side, preferably on side rail.

shot2: less aggressive- bank 14 to underside of 12 and freeze CB on 15, or , depending on angle, stop it between 15/2.
 
sixpack said:
I don't like that shot very much because you're leaving them on the wrong side of the stack. And there's an easy out (Play into the 15-3 then to the end rail. If you make the 10, you have more shots, if you miss, you leave tough)

I probably would play off the 1 to the back of the 10, trying to leave the CB stuck on the 10 on the top rail side. If I hit the 10 directly and moved it, the 10 would block the 9 bank.

The best offensive shot IMO would be the 14 bank into the 6-8-4, but you'd better be sure with that 10 ball where it is. It's hard to tell from the diagram if that shot is wired, but if it is, that might be an option.

Cheers,
RC
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I agree that drawing off the 15 puts the CB on wrong side of the stack, but as I see it, the 15-3 is off-line, aimed left of the pocket. And I think I've got a decent chance of leaving the CB on the 7. If my opponent wants to dink around inside the stack (e.g., trying the 15-3 combo), he'll have to worry about selling the 7, 2, and 11.

Coming off the 1 directly behind the 10 seems to scratch or sell out a lot, at least it does for me. And it doesn't do much to improve your position. In contrast, shooting the 15 will, if it hits the 12, send the 15 to the good side and knock the 12 away (black-balled's option 2).

Shag-fu recommended a 3-rail kick at the 10, but it looks to me like the 1 is in the way. So it seems that if you want to play it that way, you have to try my hero shot, which might be pasted below, since I can't seem to get the export to work right. Also, using the 1 to go three rails should bove some balls to your side.

Cory

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Amateurs...all of you.

I'm no one-pocket expert (but I think I should be), but once I saw the layout, this obvious shot came to mind...

obvious solution

I think I'm probably 90-95% to make this shot. I have to kick the CB at around 25mph, which is only about 40% of my power stroke level.

I can think of maybe 4 or 5 other shots a bit more aggressive and offensive minded, but my confidence level on those other 5-rail shots is much lower, maybe around 85%. So the above solution is the one I would choose in a heartbeat.
 
jsp said:
Amateurs...all of you.

I'm no one-pocket expert (but I think I should be), but once I saw the layout, this obvious shot came to mind...

obvious solution

I think I'm probably 90-95% to make this shot. I have to kick the CB at around 25mph, which is only about 40% of my power stroke level.

I can think of maybe 4 or 5 other shots a bit more aggressive and offensive minded, but my confidence level on those other 5-rail shots is much lower, maybe around 85%. So the above solution is the one I would choose in a heartbeat.
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We have a winner!
 
I could only imagine my opponents face when I come with that one next time this layout comes up. LMAO good one! hahaha
 
iusedtoberich said:
This is certainly a tough spot. Macguy, where wouoold you take an intenionl foul at? If you put the cue in the stack, you leave the 15-13 combo. If you put the cueball in front of the upper right corner pocket (as the diagram is orineted), the player can kick softly onto the 5, or even take a return scratch and put you where you just were.

I think I would kick 3 raisls with the cue like previeiolsly posted and hope to go behinkd he 10.

Here is antoher option no one posted yet. I wouldn't play it, but maye a pro player would.

My Shot
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There are numerous places you can go and not leave a shot. Regardless what he does it will leave you a little different shot that may have a better return shot. This is not really so much a "What will you do from here shot," as it is a theory of play shot. This is a risk and reward situation as are many one pocket shots.

The problem with most of the suggestions so far is they have risk, some high risk, but don't get you anything. In other words, the way the balls are laying you are risking the whole game just to play, what may be a tricky safety. Your three rail shot for example, what does it get you and what can the consequences be if it fails as well as how hard will it be to do?

Like I said there are a number of ways you can take a foul and not risk giving up anything. What it does is let you sort of restart the game from a slightly different situation that may pan out better for you. That is not to say any or all the shots suggested would not come out positive, I was just suggesting a different approach that is often over looked and worth at least considering.

If I had to pick a shot to shoot I would probably just Hit the 14 and try lay on the 15. That shot seems to have a fairly low degree of difficulty and hope to see something a little different the next inning. If I wanted to be a little more aggressive I would bank the 14 into the stack knocking balls to my side and go up table wanting to leave the 10 and 1 doubled up. That 1 ball blocks a lot, from the right spot it becomes pretty big and will keep him from shooting unless he wants to shot the combo.

Depending how things turn out, if he decides to shoot at something he may now be risking the whole game on one shot as well. There are not so much right and wrong answers just theorys of play and they can be different for different players depending on their level of play.
 
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