What would you do here?
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SUch situational detail!
I would shoot the 9 in and then the 8 for the win.
I would shoot the 9 in and then the 8 for the win.
i would shoot the 3 and draw into the 5 and 8 to help hold the cue ball for the 4.
If you're on a bar box, you can probably slow roll the three (or perhaps stun over to the rail, I would be hesitant to draw into the 5) and wind up near the rail. Even if you get some angle it's ok because when you shoot the 4, the 7 will keep you near the rail to get on the 5-ball.
Hopefully you get enough angle on the 5-ball to be able to draw the CB two rails back up the table for the 6. After that, it should be manageable.
Not to say I could do what I just described, but that's what I see
Hopefully you get enough angle on the 5-ball to be able to draw the CB two rails back up the table for the 6. After that, it should be manageable.
Not to say I could do what I just described, but that's what I see
I'd shoot the 3 int he corner. It looks like there is a little angle but not much. So give it a medium stroke with some left english and slowly drift the CB down towards the rail. The window in the diagram isn't THAT small. Its small, but from what I see, you don't need to be flush on the rail to make the hit. And you're better off NOT on the rail. Cause you'll need to play the 5 with low right to draw (with right spin) off the foot rail AND the side rail to get position on the 6.
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The position of the six ball is the key to the layout. If you slow roll the three, you end up pretty straight on the four, and you'll soon have a very hard time getting from the five to the six. Far better is to send the cue ball one rail into the eight, which provides good shape on the four and, with good execution, opens up a nice position line from the five to the six.
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a) shoot the 3 in the corner; dead ball roll the cue towards the 5-8 stopping at about the 1 diamond from the end rail
b) shoot the 4 in the corner with top left, knocking the 7 towards the short rail; stopping the cue ball 2/3rds diamond off the end rail
c) shoot the 5 in the corner; with heavy draw and moderate right hand spin--take it off (then end rail then) off the short rail and towards the opposite short rail for the 6
d) 6 in the corner; roll towards center table
e) 7 in same corner as 3; die on 7
f) 8 in same corner as 5; roll towards center table for the 9
g) 9 in same corner as 3;
b) shoot the 4 in the corner with top left, knocking the 7 towards the short rail; stopping the cue ball 2/3rds diamond off the end rail
c) shoot the 5 in the corner; with heavy draw and moderate right hand spin--take it off (then end rail then) off the short rail and towards the opposite short rail for the 6
d) 6 in the corner; roll towards center table
e) 7 in same corner as 3; die on 7
f) 8 in same corner as 5; roll towards center table for the 9
g) 9 in same corner as 3;
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I'd shoot the 3 ball easy with a little bottom left. It will drift over by the rail for the 4 ball shot.
What does "you have already doubled up and started over twice" mean?
What does "you have already doubled up and started over twice" mean?
you don't really have a choice but to try to get between the 4-5 and close to the rail. i don't think going into the 5/8's a good idea because something could tie up.
What'd you do?
What'd you do?
Here's my thoughts on it- I agree with SJM and a coupleof others here. Go into the 5-8, preferably rail first into the 8. That clears the 5 for easy psoition on the 6, and holds the cb there with a little angle on the 4. I don't see any need to move the 7.
I thought I had a good plan.:frown: But, alas, poolplayer 2093 was rightI figured there was about a zero % chance of getting tied up, and, even after seeing it, I couldn't believe it! I don't think I could do it again in a thousand tries, but, I managed to do it at the worst possible time. This is how I ended up, neddless to say, I was sick to my stomach. My jump off the rail over the 8 didn't work either.
(Doubling up means that we were both on the hill, so we agreed to double the bet and start a new set) Can't always win, but a loss like that just plain SUCKS! I saw it happen, and still don't want to believe that it is even possible to do! It just doesn't make sense to me??? Apparently, I just knicked the 8 going in, then hit the 5, made it in the corner, and the cb spun off the rail to go up behind the 8.??????
You left out that you were trying to lose, so that you can change the spot next time.
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Exactly. Playing against someone of moderate skill, this safety off the 5, locking up behind the 8 is going to get you back on an open table with BIH most of the time. Even if you don't get BIH, you're likely to have a good shot. The chance of him kicking and getting any control of the game here is minute.
I still may be tempted to make the 5 and draw the rock, but I'd wait to that point to decide.
Making the 3 and busting on the 5/8 is more risk than needs be assumed IMO.
Can someone diagram the safe on the 5?? it looks like if you hit it your gonna make it, esp on a barbox.
Additionally if you make the 4 you are more than likely to bump the 7 into the intended path of the cue ball if your drawing it two rails to the 6, so you then have the 7 8 and 9 ball to avoid in getting downtable to the 6, all on a barbox.....imho I like neils opp, although i would usually be left with the roll he got lol
Additionally if you make the 4 you are more than likely to bump the 7 into the intended path of the cue ball if your drawing it two rails to the 6, so you then have the 7 8 and 9 ball to avoid in getting downtable to the 6, all on a barbox.....imho I like neils opp, although i would usually be left with the roll he got lol
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1) Shoot the 3 in the corner with low left, coming off the end rail and splitting the 5/8 softly. This not only gives a little angle on the 4 to work with, it also opens up the 5 ball so shape on the 6 ball will be easier.
The rest is history.
1) Shoot the 3 in the corner with low left, coming off the end rail and splitting the 5/8 softly. This not only gives a little angle on the 4 to work with, it also opens up the 5 ball so shape on the 6 ball will be easier.
The rest is history.
That was a pretty brutal outcome, Neil, but I still think you shot the right shot. Sometimes you shoot the right shot and get hosed anyway; c'est la vie. Seems like it happens a lot more often when you're trying to outrun the nuts, though. 
I took the original diagram and added a few things to it. The black line coming off of the 3 is the tangent line, and the red line is the desired line of the cueball. As you can see, based on this diagram anyway, you would either need to hit slightly above center on the cb or hit center ball and cheat the pocket on the right side (my personal preference) in order to make this shot work. The blue line coming off of cueball B is the go/no go line for shape on the 4; it's a pretty big zone. Again, I think you shot the right shot. It was your best chance at moving the 8 so you wouldn't have to draw two rails b/w the 7 & 9 (a shot that includes a scratch risk, btw) for shape on the 6, and running into the 8 would have resulted in automatic pos for the 4. I'd shoot your shot every time in this spot, regardless of the score or bet.
Aaron
I took the original diagram and added a few things to it. The black line coming off of the 3 is the tangent line, and the red line is the desired line of the cueball. As you can see, based on this diagram anyway, you would either need to hit slightly above center on the cb or hit center ball and cheat the pocket on the right side (my personal preference) in order to make this shot work. The blue line coming off of cueball B is the go/no go line for shape on the 4; it's a pretty big zone. Again, I think you shot the right shot. It was your best chance at moving the 8 so you wouldn't have to draw two rails b/w the 7 & 9 (a shot that includes a scratch risk, btw) for shape on the 6, and running into the 8 would have resulted in automatic pos for the 4. I'd shoot your shot every time in this spot, regardless of the score or bet.
Aaron