What would you do here?

ok, did he make a ball? Or did he play safe right off the bat? I'm assuming he made the first ball and played safe on the 7?
 
Ok, he thinned the top side of the six, rolling the cue down near the top side of the 12? Thats my best out of the box safety guess...
 
Gently thin the left side of the 6, sending the CB to either nestle behind the 12 or run into it and leave an awkward shot on the 8? Obvious risks here.

Can I fire a second barrel? Gently thin the right side of the 6, getting the CB to contact just below the side and leaving the 8 between whitey and the final stripe.

If it's me, I'm drilling in the 6 and running into the 12 for short shape on the 7. But others have guessed that and no go.
 
He has him shoot the 6 into 3/4 hit on the 7, figuring that what did happen would happen. I give it about a 1 in a 1,000 chance of actually happening.

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This is the result of the shot! An absolutely incredible shot. Incredible in it's performance, and it's stupidity! What would possess someone to even see this as an option is beyond me?? The 6 hits the 7 3/4 ball, slides down the rail to the 12, hits the 12 and moves very little afterwards, the 12 hits the point of the pocket, and rolls in front of the 6. Thereby effectively blocking the pocket.

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The reason I posted this- lower level players, be careful who you listen to! In this case, the shot worked, and the lower level player thinks he learned something useful. What he actually learned is how to sell out a game! The chances of him EVER pulling this off again are extremely low. And he should have been shown the real options he had in front of him. But instead, now he thinks the 6 is very wise, and will listen to any B.S. he tells him. Thereby hindering his game for years to come. (beats me how the 6 got to be a 6 thinking like that??) The 4 doesn't even realize that he pulled off a once in a lifetime shot.

If you are new to the game, or want to learn more, ask around on who to learn from. Don't just take as gospel what any one better than you says!
 
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When you said outside the box thinking.. i didn't think you meant absurdity..

What would you have done in this situation neil?
 
that isnt an absurd shot at all. actually pretty smart shot. if he has decent speed control he has a shot at either stealing the pocket like he did, or the six may come back out and get between the cue and the 12. not like he had much else of a chance.
 
I ws at the poolroom last night watching the league players warm up. A 6 was showing a 4 how to play 8 ball. The 4 was a good shot maker, but knew nothing about english or position. It was the 4's turn, he has solids. The 6 level player told him what to shoot and why. Needless to say, my eyebrows raised a bit when the 4 pulled it off, what do you think he did?? And, what would you do?? Playing on a diamond barbox.

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Id go low right on cueball cutting solid in the side, when cue hits side rail it should go on down table giving shape on solid on the rail..thats just me though
 
When you said outside the box thinking.. i didn't think you meant absurdity..

What would you have done in this situation neil?

LOL! I DID say way, way, way outside the box!

In any case, you are in a tough position here. First look, make the 6, bank the 7. However, I have to toss that option, because it is way to difficult to get anything but a bank on the 8. I don't want to rely on two banks in a row to win if there are other options.

Looking at shooting the 6 to make the 12, block the pocket, and leave him banking the 8 cross corner. With my luck, he would make the bank. But, I don't like that shot anyways. It is pretty tricky to make the 12 and hit it good enough that the 6 would even block the pocket. If you are off just a little to the right, you make the 12 and the 6 doesn't block the hole.

I think I would end up lightly hitting the 6 to go rail first off the 12, blocking the pocket and moving the 12 over by the 7. I have a good chance of blocking him from the 12 with the 8. Still not an easy shot, but the one I would probably go with. If the 6 does drop, I'm screwed, because I would also be hooked from the 7.
 
I think its a dumb shot as well. If the 12 is hit right with draw the 12 will follow in. Or play the combo, make the six and leave the cue touching the 12. If the 4 can elevate over the 12 and make the 7 and run out, he isnt a 4, lol.
 
that isnt an absurd shot at all. actually pretty smart shot. if he has decent speed control he has a shot at either stealing the pocket like he did, or the six may come back out and get between the cue and the 12. not like he had much else of a chance.

at the angle he has to work with, you want him go almost 6ish diamonds and come off the 7 like he did?

i'd let him go at that shot all day long because most of the time he'll either miss the 7 completely, or hit it and do something completely opposite of what he wanted.. either way, my 12 is still a sitting duck in the pocket.
 
Remember though, this guy is a foreignor. He doesn't know any english. ;)

That shot he pulled off was nuts. He had to combo that 6 into the 7 ball just right. He had about a 1/4 of the 7 ball to play with, and not all of that 1/4 ball "range" would yield a positive result.

Neil, you whisker puller you. ;)
 
WHat the Hell....im at work and just now finished reading the whole thread...it takes pure skill to pull somehting off like that. :rolleyes:

Funny that he did pull it off though....
 
On second thought, this is probably closer to what I would really do. I would make the 6 with right english and spin down table. From there, what I would do depends on exactly where I ended up with the cb. Two options- 1-carom off the 7 to make the 12 and have the 7 block his shot on the 8. 2.Shoot the 7 gently onto the 12 and leave him the bank or the kick on the 12 and hope he doesn't make it.

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Is the 7 ball frozen? If so it goes in the corner pocket after you pocket the six as long as you keep the cue ball on the left side of the table so you can go rail first with low right. If not I'd probably make the six, combo the 7 into the stripe, and leave the cue ball on the rail increasing the degree of difficulty on his shot on the 8 ball.

But then I'm just a banger.
 
at the angle he has to work with, you want him go almost 6ish diamonds and come off the 7 like he did?

i'd let him go at that shot all day long because most of the time he'll either miss the 7 completely, or hit it and do something completely opposite of what he wanted.. either way, my 12 is still a sitting duck in the pocket.


yes. think about it, the guy is a 4. pocketing the 6 is probably just as low percentage as pushing the six down towards the 7 and hoping to get lucky and tie the 12 up. i wouldnt have played it this way, but if you really think about who is at the table, it really wasnt a bad or crazy play at all. he gave him a chance to knock the 12 out of the pocket, leave the 8 between the cue and the 12 or leave the 6 or 7 (depending on where the 6 hits the 7) blocking the 12.
 
yes. think about it, the guy is a 4. pocketing the 6 is probably just as low percentage as pushing the six down towards the 7 and hoping to get lucky and tie the 12 up. i wouldnt have played it this way, but if you really think about who is at the table, it really wasnt a bad or crazy play at all. he gave him a chance to knock the 12 out of the pocket, leave the 8 between the cue and the 12 or leave the 6 or 7 (depending on where the 6 hits the 7) blocking the 12.

The fact that he is a 4 is the exact number one reason I wouldn't want him even trying this shot..

I've posted what I would do.. what i'd have the 4 do is come off the 6 at an angle so it goes to the opposite rail and ends up hopefully behind the 8 for a decent safety... much higher percentage of working then anything else that sl 4 can pull off.
 
The fact that he is a 4 is the exact number one reason I wouldn't want him even trying this shot..

I've posted what I would do.. what i'd have the 4 do is come off the 6 at an angle so it goes to the opposite rail and ends up hopefully behind the 8 for a decent safety... much higher percentage of working then anything else that sl 4 can pull off.

The whole thing about this situation is the sl6 is TEACHING the sl4. So to not have him even try to attempt it doesnt make sense. The whole point of the game is to learn as much as you can. Not have someone hold you back because you are a skill level 4.
 
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