What would you do if a cuemaker
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Wow that's pretty harsh in my opinion. Knowing Dean I can assure you it's not him, heck they could remove Monica and rename Dean the Patron Saint of Patience, you'll be hard pressed to find a nicer gentleman.
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Dean's thread. Deans choice to say what's on his mind. Does not have to name anyone. His business to do whatever. If he's looking for support for whatever reason...he's got it.
Can't blame him or anyone for being pissed. Who needs this bullshit. Deans the victim not the perp. Let's not turn this around.
Can't blame him or anyone for being pissed. Who needs this bullshit. Deans the victim not the perp. Let's not turn this around.
I must say the it seems a lot of members of this forum have way more patience than I do. 4 years of lying by a supposed friend ?
Well you asked for opinions so here is mine.
If he has received a deposit I would have my lawyer send him a nice letter by certified mail requesting my deposit back in a timely manner before said lawyer takes the next step that he deems necessary.
If he had never received a deposit from me I would write him off as a friend and he would never receive any more business from me.
If I decided to take the time to start a thread about said experience I would definitely have taken the few extra seconds required to name said cue maker in my post. Otherwise...whats the purpose of making such a thread ?
Well you asked for opinions so here is mine.
If he has received a deposit I would have my lawyer send him a nice letter by certified mail requesting my deposit back in a timely manner before said lawyer takes the next step that he deems necessary.
If he had never received a deposit from me I would write him off as a friend and he would never receive any more business from me.
If I decided to take the time to start a thread about said experience I would definitely have taken the few extra seconds required to name said cue maker in my post. Otherwise...whats the purpose of making such a thread ?
Is your lawyer J. Noble Daggett?
Nope. My lawyer would be a forum member who knocked on a cue makers door several states away and got his money back after a couple of years of getting the run a round.
What would I do?
Cuemaker is a friend? What kind of friend? Someone you talk to when you do business, maybe had one beer with one time? Or real friend? If the latter then...Well, if he's lying to me for so long, he doesn't know me very well at all and was probably only my friend in my own imagination. Terminate friendship. Leniency for time served, so no further action. Real friends are hard to come by. It's always better to be let down in good times, rather than find out, when the bad times come, that you are all alone.
Cuemaker is not a friend. Consider options. Big money= legal action. Small money = knock on door. Those two not an option and the guy REALLY ticked me off, by being rude, I'd talk to my local bike enthusiasts, especially if big money was involved. I HATE THIEVES! I'd even take a loss, but that guy is going to pay, one way or another, with whatever currency his own actions dictate.
Cuemaker is a friend? What kind of friend? Someone you talk to when you do business, maybe had one beer with one time? Or real friend? If the latter then...Well, if he's lying to me for so long, he doesn't know me very well at all and was probably only my friend in my own imagination. Terminate friendship. Leniency for time served, so no further action. Real friends are hard to come by. It's always better to be let down in good times, rather than find out, when the bad times come, that you are all alone.
Cuemaker is not a friend. Consider options. Big money= legal action. Small money = knock on door. Those two not an option and the guy REALLY ticked me off, by being rude, I'd talk to my local bike enthusiasts, especially if big money was involved. I HATE THIEVES! I'd even take a loss, but that guy is going to pay, one way or another, with whatever currency his own actions dictate.
I couldn't agree more.
I don't like threads like this, where someone comes on here, hoping to have their issue resolved with the threat, all the time leaving everyone else open to the same problems because the person is not exposed. I hate to ruin people's business, but I would feel awfully bad if someone else fell victim to the same thing, when I could have helped.
On another note, I think all these deals need to be done with escrow, where no money is changed hands until the product is finished.
Wow. Seeing lots of these threads. I'll just keep the 4 I have and be done. If a "known" cuemaker will slap the vaseline on Dean I could imagine what they'll do to the average chump!
Just because someone is going to say this, and will want to be clear because the cuemaker will obviously never post in this thread. What you are saying is a cuemaker gave you $40K in cues which you sold, then you guys split the sales $20K each. The next time he made the cues, he sold them but kept the $40K and offered to give you $5K and build you a $20K cue?
Just trying to understand the goings on
Dean,
Friendship is not something that one can bestow on another and it is always reciprocal to even qualify as friendship.
You do not take the other person's feeliins for granted, you do not mislead or offer false promises if you're a true friend.
You might have thought of yourself as this cue-maker's friend but actually, you were merely an acquaintence.....just one of many.
As such you owe him no special allegiance or obligation to shield him from being exposed just to protect other innnocent parties.
Nonetheless, doing something like that is a last resort and once you have rung that alarm bell, it can never be unrung by anyone.
You take this stuff seriously & besides, you're also a generous soul so adopting a hard line is something that doesn't sit well with you.
I would just lay it on the line one last time with the cue-maker., If I couldn't speak with him by phone, I'd send him an email or a registered letter.
Just let him know your forgiveness and understanding jar is empty and there's nothing left at this point aside from him just delivering the goods.
If there is any hesistancy or anything but complete contrition over what's occured so far and a commitment to deliver your cues fast,
then make sure he understands you will reveal all of this through the Az Forums and ask for help broadcasting this on social media pool forums.
Best of luck with whatever approach you use or decide to do. Ironically, when the cue-maker you use is not only talented but a standup type of guy,
you never experience problems of any sort even years later. I just spoke with Bob Owen today and he is just such a terrific guy to talk with 'bout anything.
We've developed a rivalry of sorts over the recent years with competing baseball teams; his being the KC Royals and of course, mine is the NY Yankees.
Sprng training is only a week away and so we exchanged opinions on baseball and even cue-making since I have the itch to have another cue design made.
My point in mentioning this is cue-makers like Bob Owen are becoming more rare and he is a man of his word when it comes to doing business.
So it really difficult to imagine how someone could earn a reputation as a great cue-maker when the individual isn't a great person at the same time.
In cue-making, greatness isn't solely measured by the final quality of the cue being completed.....it also encompasses a code of conduct & decency.
It sounds like the cue-maker in question has fallen woefully short in the latter categories which really overshadows any cues he has produced.
Matt B.
Friendship is not something that one can bestow on another and it is always reciprocal to even qualify as friendship.
You do not take the other person's feeliins for granted, you do not mislead or offer false promises if you're a true friend.
You might have thought of yourself as this cue-maker's friend but actually, you were merely an acquaintence.....just one of many.
As such you owe him no special allegiance or obligation to shield him from being exposed just to protect other innnocent parties.
Nonetheless, doing something like that is a last resort and once you have rung that alarm bell, it can never be unrung by anyone.
You take this stuff seriously & besides, you're also a generous soul so adopting a hard line is something that doesn't sit well with you.
I would just lay it on the line one last time with the cue-maker., If I couldn't speak with him by phone, I'd send him an email or a registered letter.
Just let him know your forgiveness and understanding jar is empty and there's nothing left at this point aside from him just delivering the goods.
If there is any hesistancy or anything but complete contrition over what's occured so far and a commitment to deliver your cues fast,
then make sure he understands you will reveal all of this through the Az Forums and ask for help broadcasting this on social media pool forums.
Best of luck with whatever approach you use or decide to do. Ironically, when the cue-maker you use is not only talented but a standup type of guy,
you never experience problems of any sort even years later. I just spoke with Bob Owen today and he is just such a terrific guy to talk with 'bout anything.
We've developed a rivalry of sorts over the recent years with competing baseball teams; his being the KC Royals and of course, mine is the NY Yankees.
Sprng training is only a week away and so we exchanged opinions on baseball and even cue-making since I have the itch to have another cue design made.
My point in mentioning this is cue-makers like Bob Owen are becoming more rare and he is a man of his word when it comes to doing business.
So it really difficult to imagine how someone could earn a reputation as a great cue-maker when the individual isn't a great person at the same time.
In cue-making, greatness isn't solely measured by the final quality of the cue being completed.....it also encompasses a code of conduct & decency.
It sounds like the cue-maker in question has fallen woefully short in the latter categories which really overshadows any cues he has produced.
Matt B.
Great post. Well said, There are no mistakes in life...everything is a learning experience. And sadly here's another one. People do not treat you like you would treat them. It seems that warnings/threats at this point are worthless(my opinion). Deadbeats don't rattle. It's shaking an empty can. I guess get back what can be recovered and call it a bad day at the track. And then slam-dunk the man's name.
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What if cuemakers started posting about the antics of buyers and potential buyers... we may need a whole forum just for that topic...