bpeacock
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I agree but, it's not a good business plan if you maximize profits for quick gains without thinking about the long term. I don't pretend to have an answer, but running the pros off is not a good long term plan.
What'd Shaw say after the Derby?
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The flyer says it go towards the master and promotion of the tournament.
Maybe just raise price of 9 ball and conform with matchroom rules.
There are various ways to count the buy-back money. It turns out that if you say it goes towards the prize money in each of the three main events, there is no added money to those events. I think that's the most reasonable way to count that money, since it is entry fees to those tournaments.
That means that the added money is in the MoT and the side events.
That means that the added money is in the MoT and the side events.
I really don’t know what the buy back percentage is.
But my general sense of the event is that it has dropped. I feel people just get tired of the circumstances and bail earlier. But that’s just a guess.
Lou Figueroa
I don’t think they purposely want things to go as poorly as they have — but for unknown reasons have not been able to pull out of the nose dive.
Lou Figueroa
I hope Diamond can right the nose dive. I missed Johnson city(Too young) DCC is JC reincarnated. On my bucket list to be sitting next to Stu next year. If this event fails and goes away I will be one sad tomato.
They're going to lose top pros even if they sort out the scheduling issues, unless they increase the payouts. With payouts growing in other events, why will pros continue to put themselves through this gauntlet? The players are starting to rumble about it and it won't take long to turn this into an amateur event.
I think the clock is ticking and they may only have another year to turn this around. I hope they take the criticism this time since Greg pretty much completely ignored it last time and there was a thread started by Diamond right here on AZ (think it was Greg) just last year if my memory is correct.
I think the clock is ticking and they may only have another year to turn this around. I hope they take the criticism this time since Greg pretty much completely ignored it last time and there was a thread started by Diamond right here on AZ (think it was Greg) just last year if my memory is correct.
L.S. Dennis
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Actually if I'm not mistaken both Mosconi and Schmidt's runs were also on 5 inch pockets, I think that's part of what's required for that run attempt.
It's possible that Diamond would be OK with that result. Hotel still full. Lots of action from second- and third-tier players. Maybe only 400 entrants so the schedule would be more manageable. From the business perspective, not so bad.
Maybe but I've never heard a single story from any of the local players after returning from Derby about how they watched, played, or talked to some regional player from Ohio. Remove the pros and you lose the allure of the event. Maybe eventually. Maybe not. Who knows really.
The buy-back percentage varies a little from year to year and event to event, but a good overall figure across the 3 events over the period when I have been calculating it (the past 11 events) is that about two-thirds of the entrants use the buy-in option. It's generally a bit higher for 9-Ball Bank than for One-Pocket and 9-Ball.
And, no, it has not dropped over time. In 2023, for the 3 events combined, it was just a tad under 70%. This year, I was unable to calculate the percentage for 9-Ball because the Completed Matches list for 9-Ball was not posted on line. But for both Banks and One-Pocket, the percentages were higher than in an other recent year; let's call it three-quarters instead of two-thirds for those two events this year.
Correct. I played on that table ten years later in 1964. It was like many tables of that era, straight cut pockets that you had to hit cleanly. Many poolrooms in the Midwest back then were using oversized 8' tables. Brunswick, AMF, National/Topline and AE Schmidt were all good pool tables. Typically the corner pocket sizes ranged from 4 5/8ths to 5 inch.
Translate those numbers into dollars and you will have a better sense of what that money is used for. One clue - DCC is a business, not a charity!
God do they have to stick their nose into everything. So sick of her & Matchroom
Where the hell are 5 inch pockets the standard world wide hahahahaha valleys are 4 3/4 and they are huge.
Yeah I hate matchroom is making the game more popular then it’s ever been. That because of them the pro’s are playing in professional arenas making better money then they have in 30 years. That because of them the amount of pro tournaments has tripled. God matchroom sucks
niti did too, but tbh i probably watched the free youtube streams more
do you know of prize money changes over the years? with the increase of players, and buybacks, and maybe casino kickback, you'd think it would show in the payouts. i know first prize hasn't changed much, but maybe they pay deeper?