What'd Shaw say after the Derby?
- Thread starter AJ12345
- Start date
The fact they’ve got tables inside the casino and are streaming gambling shows how strong the tournament is for their revenue. Both entities are washing each others hands so much it’s a wonder they got any skin left 
the venue could easily add money to the event and never miss it, not only would that pacify the pros to some extent but would also show some good faith that they could give a shit in the slightest about the participants and attendees and not just about stackin racks like bricks at the end of the day…
the venue could easily add money to the event and never miss it, not only would that pacify the pros to some extent but would also show some good faith that they could give a shit in the slightest about the participants and attendees and not just about stackin racks like bricks at the end of the day…Drop Bigfoot? No way! That keeps things interesting in the beginning of tournament and doesn't hinder play much if any. That's a mighty nice pay day for 4/5 sets of pool.
I searched for this today, and found old 3rd party marketing text of the GC4 Tournament Edition. It looks like it was probably copy/paste from Brunswick, rather than their own authored text. Also, coincidentally, there is one for sale right now in the Brunswick FB group. The GC4 TD table did not have "Tournament Edition" on the side stickers, but it did have the big "Bruswick Est 1845" side stickers from what I can find.
Sorry, I probably started this confusion. All pool tables have the rubber cushion, and ONE facing about 1/8" thick as standard. It does not matter if its Diamond, Brunswick, or a garbage table.
Up until about 1992 when the first Diamonds came out, the only way to get tighter pockets was to "double shim" or "triple shim" the tables by a mechanic, in the field. The OEM pockets were all 5" at the mouth, including the single facing, including the GC6 to this day in 2024. To get it tighter, they took another "facing" of 1/8" thick, and glue it to the factory facing. That was a "double shimmed table", and came to about 4.75" at the mouth. Those tables were the popular table for serious 9 ball gamblers. If a second "shim" was also glued on, for 3 total, that was a "triple shim", which was about 4.5" at the mouth. This was the table for the one pocket players, and usually right next to the counter of the pool room.
Diamond was the first brand to do away with that layering approach entirely. They made their cushions longer, and with only the single "facing", resulted in 4.5" at the mouth. That's their Pro-Cut pockets. They had that from the start until today. About 10 years ago, Diamond started offered some even tighter, special order pockets, at 4.25" and 4.125". They make those by making the rubber cushion and wood behind it longer, while still have only the single "facing" glued on at the standard about 1/8" thickness.
There is NO Diamond table from the factory that has more than one facing glued to the cushion. There MAY be some in the field, but that would probably be for some bastard table where someone took the 4.5" pro-cut pocket and wanted it tighter, and then added additional shims instead of extending the cushions and the wood behind the cushions.
Fast forward a bit, and Bruswick started offering the Tournament Edition table, Predator has their tight pocket table, Gabriels has their table offered with tight pockets, etc. Those tables all followed the Diamond model of making the cushions longer at the factory, and still keeping a single about 1/8" thick pocket facing. (I'm not 100% sure on this last sentence. Maybe they put thicker single facings instead of longer cushions, but I doubt it...).
Last edited:
They should play it on 2 10' tables IMO, to get it out of the way. The 10' tournament monopolizes half the Derby stream. The stands are usually empty the first couple days. They could fit 2 10's in the arena I bet. Then for the final 3 matches, move the extra table out, and bring in the rest of the bleachers. They could finish it in 2 days this way, 4 rounds in each day.
dendweller
Well-known member
That was my understanding and I've had a couple tables with multiple shims, not ideal.
My question was to island drive, sounded like he was saying a hall owner decided not to pay diamond to shim then at the factory, that he'd get them done on the first recover. I didn't think diamond shimmed tables so I wondered if I was mistaken about that.
Thanks
For those of us who didn't or couldn't watch, how'd you fare at one hole up there Lou??
Has anyone ever thot of perhaps boycotting this event one year, to send a wake up call to fix this mess?? Ala we keep going and paying and packing the rooms, they will put up w all the whining we can dish out every year and laugh all the way to the piggy bank.
Played the first round, lost, ate at the steak house, drank *a lot* of beer at the bar, left the next day.
Lou Figueroa
end of trip report
Badpenguin
Well-known member
First table, pre-covid (2019), 3 months.
Second table, ordered summer of 2023, received by end of November, a little over 4 months. They told me it would be up to a year.
So I have nothing to complain about really.
I have to say -- not my favorite trip report. LOL
Late in life I'm going more Ernest Hemingway -- short and sweet:
"No subject is terrible if the story is true, if the prose is clean and honest, and if it affirms courage and grace under pressure."
Lou Figueroa
with apologies
to Woody Allen
Chief plagiarizer or copybarra in command.
This is why pool never evolved, no adaptation to current culture.
Fats made the game exciting because he called out matches and competition.
Fats never quoted any writers. I doubt he could read.
The 2024 WNT Rankings table is up now, and it confirms that the recent DCC 9-Ball event was still a ranking event, but the Turning Stone event last month was not. A few of the late-2023 events are also included in the 2024 rankings.
Scroll down here and click on "DOWNLOAD 2024 RANKINGS" to see the full list: https://matchroompool.com/world-rankings/
Joshua James
New member
1 Timothy 6
3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Just an FYI
When DCC was at the Executive West, Greg Sullivan bought every room in the Hotel ahead of time at a negotiated rate and charged what he wanted during the tournament for the 600 rooms. If you made just $10 per room per night would you like it?
They made a lot of money on the rooms.
They make a lot of money on the DCC. They should, who wouldn’t want to?
When DCC was at the Executive West, Greg Sullivan bought every room in the Hotel ahead of time at a negotiated rate and charged what he wanted during the tournament for the 600 rooms. If you made just $10 per room per night would you like it?
They made a lot of money on the rooms.
They make a lot of money on the DCC. They should, who wouldn’t want to?
Fascinating. Knew we could count on you, Lou, for a colorful report on dcc!!
Fascinating. Knew we could count on you, Lou, for a colorful report on dcc!!
Did you blow it, or were you beaten?? I'm curious as to who had the misfortune of drawing your name first round?? Must have been a killer.Fascinating. Knew we could count on you, Lou, for a colorful report on dcc!!