What's the advantage of an ivory joint?

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Players have told me they get more 'feel' on there shots with an ivory joint. Do you agree and are there other things you've noticed that you like?
 
The only advantage is it makes your cue worth more. They do not offer more feel or play better than linen, fake ivory, or even plastic.
 
Varney Cues said:
The only advantage is it makes your cue worth more. They do not offer more feel or play better than linen, fake ivory, or even plastic.
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Are you saying that you do not think there is a differance between the hit of Ivory compared to steel? Wood to Wood? and plastic?
Purdman
 
i've been playing w/ an ivory joint for about 6 months now, and to tell you the truth, i had more 'feel' from a cue with a SS joint...

i sure do like the way the ivory looks tho.

-s
 
Personally I love the way my ivory jointed cue plays. It is a very solid but quiet hit. I have never played with a steel/wood/plastic jointed cue that has the same type of hit, not saying that its not possible but I haven't hit with one yet.
 
Purdman said:
Are you saying that you do not think there is a differance between the hit of Ivory compared to steel? Wood to Wood? and plastic?
Purdman
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I'm saying that if I make two identical, flat faced, wood to wood, big pin cues...and one has an ivory joint collar and one has a fake ivory joint collar...that the ivory will not play better or offer any advantage other than making the cue worth more $$$.;)
My own personal playing cue in fact has a soft plastic fake ivory joint collar. And it also even has a section of soft plastic in the forearm that the pin is threaded into....and you want to talk about sweet...;) :D !!!
 
Varney Cues said:
I'm saying that if I make two identical, flat faced, wood to wood, big pin cues...and one has an ivory joint collar and one has a fake ivory joint collar...that the ivory will not play better or offer any advantage other than making the cue worth more $$$.;)
My own personal playing cue in fact has a soft plastic fake ivory joint collar. And it also even has a section of soft plastic in the forearm that the pin is threaded into....and you want to talk about sweet...;) :D !!!
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Make me one Varney:D , I just might agree with ya!! Take your time, I am kinda low on funds right now.:o I know how to fix that though. I just can't build a cue.
Purdman:cool:
 
Purdman said:
Are you saying that you do not think there is a differance between the hit of Ivory compared to steel? Wood to Wood? and plastic?
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I was standing near the cue makers booths at one BCA Trade Show and the assembled wisdom of those present, including some very well-known high-end names, was that if you put Duck Tape around the joint of any stick, no one could tell you what was underneath.

John McChesney actually did that experiment, and you can read about it in Google Groups -- I think it was in RSB but it might have been in ASP. The result was that no one could tell by the hit what the joint was.

The majority of how a stick hits the ball is in the shaft, and the tip itself can make a huge difference.

Ivory increases the collectibility and reduces the reliability, on average.
 
Purdman said:
Make me one Varney Take your time, I am kinda low on funds right now.
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No problem...I just added you to the very bottom of the list. Your cue will be ready in June of 2022.:D :D :D Let me know when you have that deposit ready!;)
 
Bob Jewett said:
Ivory increases the collectibility and reduces the reliability, on average.
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Exactly. And you are correct on the tip & ferrule as well. I can take an extremely soft hitting wood to wood sneaky pete...change the tip & ferrule to Ivorine 4 & XHard Talisman...cover the cue with tape and people would swear it's a steel jointed cue.;)
 
I cant make a ball w/ an ivory ferrule, had a cue w/ one for months, my game went straight to the pooper. Got my wood/ wood back and my game picked back up. Same shafts, btw:confused:
 
Varney Cues said:
I'm saying that if I make two identical, flat faced, wood to wood, big pin cues...and one has an ivory joint collar and one has a fake ivory joint collar...that the ivory will not play better or offer any advantage other than making the cue worth more $$$.;)
My own personal playing cue in fact has a soft plastic fake ivory joint collar. And it also even has a section of soft plastic in the forearm that the pin is threaded into....and you want to talk about sweet...;) :D !!!
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I agree if you just use a collar but if you have a solid ivory joint I believe there is a different hit. A collar is just a sheath around the actual joint. I do not consider it a true ivory joint. It is purely for looks and nothing more, but a solid ivory joint does change the hit.

Martin
 
feel and hardness.

it is the hardest material next to stainless steel and aegis, but i never heard of anyone using an aegis joint,
 
I would beg to differ. I would bet that I can tell which cue has a stainless steel joint and which is wood to wood if you give me 2 of the same cue. Just let me play with it for the night and I'll have your answer. I'm almost positive that I can't tell the answer just by hitting one ball but if I have it for an hour or two I bet I could tell.

Tony
 
Ivory Joint

I believe there is a difference between a solid ivory joint and a collared ivory sleeve over a flat face wood to wood joint. I've been playing with a solid ivory joint for years, have no intentions of changing, solid ivory joints work for me.
Regards,
Charles
 
Varney Cues said:
I have made several. I've seen many as well. Dishaw comes to mind as one who uses it for joints. ;)
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craig peterson was going to make me one and was in the process of near completion(aegis butt plate was done), when he passed away. it would have been great....the aegis is unusual and i've never seen anything like it since.
 
Mystick Cue Fan said:
I would beg to differ. I would bet that I can tell which cue has a stainless steel joint and which is wood to wood if you give me 2 of the same cue. Just let me play with it for the night and I'll have your answer. I'm almost positive that I can't tell the answer just by hitting one ball but if I have it for an hour or two I bet I could tell.

Tony
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that's not what varney is saying. he's saying you can't tell the diff twixt an ivory and fake ivory,,,,not ss.
 
mroberts75 said:
I agree if you just use a collar but if you have a solid ivory joint I believe there is a different hit. A collar is just a sheath around the actual joint. I do not consider it a true ivory joint. It is purely for looks and nothing more, but a solid ivory joint does change the hit.

Martin
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full ivory is a much much harder hit. i liken the ivory collar to a 3c billiard feel(except for the metal pin) because a 3c cue uses a kind of buckhorn collar not too disimiliar from the ivory, and all that wood to wood makes for a vibrant hit.
 
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