What's the point of a smaller tip?

[ENGLISH!]

Dave,

In this diagram, as I mention in an older thread, the cues are level which is very, very rare. If the cues would be rotated at an equal distance from the CB (bridge length) & then push through the bridge to again make contact, it appears that the flat tip would make contact at a point near where the rounded tips make contact when flat & the rounded tips would then make contact more near if not at the miscue limit.

Am I incorrect in that assesment?

Thanks in advance.

With respect,

 

[Patrick Johnson]

It's not that clear cut. With less deflection, the pivot point is often further away from their bridge length than a standard cue. Stroke errors are like back hand english, so when the pivot length is extended beyond their bridge length, the deflection isn't canceled out as much. And often (but not always), larger tips have larger diameter tip shapes (nickel vs dime) leading to a slight difference in contact point for the same stroke error.

Yes, a lower squirt shaft can be less forgiving of stroke errors and a smaller tip can be lower squirt.

pj
chgo

 

[Pangit]

I shoot with a 11.75mm tip. Others have already mentioned deflection (my ferrule is only about 3/8" long, which also helps) but I like a small tip because it allows me to hit the cue ball with geometric precision which results in better position of the cue ball. Try playing with a small tip, I think you'll like it.

To each his own...everyone is different... but I agree, I play with a 11.5mm tip, conical taper, that range is the best of both worlds.

A big chunk of the game is in one's head, I think. I have short fat fingers, I've never felt comfortable with any 13mm cue.

One size does not fit all.

 

[dr_dave]

Dave,

In this diagram, as I mention in an older thread, the cues are level which is very, very rare. If the cues would be rotated at an equal distance from the CB (bridge length) & then push through the bridge to again make contact, it appears that the flat tip would make contact at a point near where the rounded tips make contact when flat & the rounded tips would then make contact more near if not at the miscue limit.

Am I incorrect in that assesment?

The diagram was intended to show the effects of tip offset on English. The view is from above the table (hence the green background). That's why no cue tilt was shown. However, you are correct that cue elevation (e.g., in the case of a draw shot) does increase the effective tip offset. Here's a diagram illustrating that effect:

For more information, see cue elevation effects.

Regards,
Dave

 

[jhanso18]

Wow, did you open up a can o' worms ! (I can hear them coming now......)
:duck:

I'll just say one thing here as I've always shot with a narrow shaft; hence a smaller tip. All else equal: a narrower shaft won't flex more than a standard diameter shaft. I have hit hard enough to pull 3-4 rails on a 9-foot,(not saying I make 'em all :tongue: ), and theres no measureable flex. I would be more inclined to blame my aim if I missed than the shaft.

The non-LD's are a different story,.... they do get whippy. JMHO

I'll let all the others that are sure to answer hit ya with the rest... :duck:

You just keep on posting sir. All I see is that fantastic AVATAR on the left of what ever gobbly goop is next to it. LOL!!! I love october!!!!!!!

best,

Justin

 

[PetToilet]

Yes, a lower squirt shaft can be less forgiving of stroke errors and a smaller tip can be lower squirt.

pj
chgo

Flat out saying they do not is very misleading and implies no relationship whatsoever. And in most cases, from what I've seen of people's bridge lengths, it does have a negative effect.

Of course, I still prefer smaller tips and LD shafts for other reasons.