Obviously the title suggests it's for Cue Collectors, but do most cue builders end up selling all the high end cues that they bring? How many people attend? How many cues are brought and end up sold? From a rookie outsider it looks like a handful of the most elite cue makers who test their skills with incredible designs. But how many of these cues are actually bought? And who attends ICCS with the fat pockets to walk away with multiple cues? Here on AZ it seems that cues over $2k have difficulty selling, much less those in the $5k range that appear ubiquitous at ICCS. So I'm curious what purposes others would ascribe to ICCS? Looking forward to hearing more about ICCS-Ryan
What's the Purpose of ICCS?
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don't extrapolate
those that take the time to read the forum and actually post only represents a fraction of those that own cues, and probably less of those that are high end cue collectors. just because people don't post these high end cues doesn't mean that they don't exist.
an analogy is that there are very few high end cue makers that actually post on here, i.e. tonkin, black boar, tascarella, hercek, etc don't post themselves.
those that take the time to read the forum and actually post only represents a fraction of those that own cues, and probably less of those that are high end cue collectors. just because people don't post these high end cues doesn't mean that they don't exist.
an analogy is that there are very few high end cue makers that actually post on here, i.e. tonkin, black boar, tascarella, hercek, etc don't post themselves.
Good Point
Good Point, I figured people would want their collection seen, but perhaps not.
Good Point, I figured people would want their collection seen, but perhaps not.
I am sure that Will Prout can give you a much better answer. To me the purpose is first to be a gathering place for collectors to share their collections with each other. Secondly it's a place for invited cue makers to show off their best work and meet the collectors. Third it's a place to introduce the art of cue making to the public at large who might not otherwise ever get to handle this type of art. And lastly it's a place to hang out with your friends and make new ones.
I describe it as the pinicle of the cue market. It is the best of the best. There are many collectors who are not very active online. This show gives everyone a chance to meet in person and show off some of their very impressive collections. I got to see an accordian made by George Balabushka at this years show. I did not know he even made them before this weekend. I had heard he made instruments but I was thinking string instruments.
The show is solely dedicated to cues. Art cues, playing cues, dosent matter. It is all about cues. It is great to see all of the rare vintage cues as well as the cutting edge of modern cues all in one room. You get to read or hear the story of special cues from the maker or buyer who commisioned them.
If you get the chance to attend I highly recomend making the trip.
The show is solely dedicated to cues. Art cues, playing cues, dosent matter. It is all about cues. It is great to see all of the rare vintage cues as well as the cutting edge of modern cues all in one room. You get to read or hear the story of special cues from the maker or buyer who commisioned them.
If you get the chance to attend I highly recomend making the trip.
Well that's pretty definitive! Thank you.
How many cues are sold during the ICCS? Again it's difficult to imagine how many upper end cues get sold during the show, so shedding some light on this would be helpful.
Thanks for all the great responses.-Ryan
Interesting...
Most cues are offered to the true collectors behind the scenes without them ever being displayed with pictures.
Have to say the gems are moving a whole lot better that way.
The ICCS is an classy affair. It's not a typical sales show along the lines of SBE. You typically don't see haggling and deal making happening at the show. I doubt anyone is going to be able to give you a figure of how many cues move at the show. Each year the cue makers are invited to make a cue for the theme collection. Almost every year most if not all of those cues sell.
Otherwise it's anyone's guess as to how many cues change hands at the show. Probably not as many as one might guess. As someone else said often the cue makers are simply delivering cues to the buyers at this show so many of them might not bring extra cues to sell.
$64,000 question,,,,,
Here's a question I doubt anyone can answer,,
''I'de love to know where next year's show is going to be so intrested parties can pencil it in '' ?
Here's a question I doubt anyone can answer,,
''I'de love to know where next year's show is going to be so intrested parties can pencil it in '' ?
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It has not been decided yet.
bstroud??
is this bill stroud of josswest cues if so you should contact John L. who lives in manchester new hampshire. I feel you should already have his number considering:angry:
is this bill stroud of josswest cues if so you should contact John L. who lives in manchester new hampshire. I feel you should already have his number considering:angry:
Iccs 2013
I just returned home from Las Vegas about an hour ago, and am still unpacking. To answer your question:
During the Collectors meeting each year, I ask for email feedback in the 30-45 days after the show, including questions such as "What went well", "What needs to change", "Any suggestions for next year`s location", etc.
Once a city is determined, there is quite a bit of work to settle on the hotel venue, etc. As usual, the show locale for 2013 will be announced early next year. We move the show around to different parts of the country each year so the collections and new cues for sale can be seen by as many as possible. If you have any additional questions, please send me a pm and we can then speak by phone.
The show this year was great fun. Not just because of the cues on display and for sale, but also the renewing of friendships and meeting new attendees and participants. In addition to all the outstanding cuemakers with cues for sale including HOFers Bill Schick and Richard Black, it was a special additional treat to have Mr. and Mrs. Gutierrez of Ginacue, Mr. and Mrs. Tad Kohara along with son Fred and daughter June, Ms. Laurie Franklin of South West Cues (along with Mickey and Al), Mr. Richard Helmstetter, as well as several other special guests. More than I can mention without forgetting some.
By the way, at the 2011 St. Louis show, approximately $250k in sales occurred, not counting new orders that took place at the show. St. Louis was a big one.
Will Prout
I just returned home from Las Vegas about an hour ago, and am still unpacking. To answer your question:
During the Collectors meeting each year, I ask for email feedback in the 30-45 days after the show, including questions such as "What went well", "What needs to change", "Any suggestions for next year`s location", etc.
Once a city is determined, there is quite a bit of work to settle on the hotel venue, etc. As usual, the show locale for 2013 will be announced early next year. We move the show around to different parts of the country each year so the collections and new cues for sale can be seen by as many as possible. If you have any additional questions, please send me a pm and we can then speak by phone.
The show this year was great fun. Not just because of the cues on display and for sale, but also the renewing of friendships and meeting new attendees and participants. In addition to all the outstanding cuemakers with cues for sale including HOFers Bill Schick and Richard Black, it was a special additional treat to have Mr. and Mrs. Gutierrez of Ginacue, Mr. and Mrs. Tad Kohara along with son Fred and daughter June, Ms. Laurie Franklin of South West Cues (along with Mickey and Al), Mr. Richard Helmstetter, as well as several other special guests. More than I can mention without forgetting some.
By the way, at the 2011 St. Louis show, approximately $250k in sales occurred, not counting new orders that took place at the show. St. Louis was a big one.
Will Prout
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Wow!
Wow, $250K in just a couple days! And yes the who's who of cue making would be wonderful to see. I saw one of Paul Drexler's cues entered, did he make it by chance? I can understand that he may have been struggling with hurricane issues so may have been unable..... Hope he was able to make it though.
Wow, $250K in just a couple days! And yes the who's who of cue making would be wonderful to see. I saw one of Paul Drexler's cues entered, did he make it by chance? I can understand that he may have been struggling with hurricane issues so may have been unable..... Hope he was able to make it though.
Paul made it to the show, and sold multiple cues.
Bill Stroud, maybe you could deliver the "design your dream cue" at next year's show . . . or at least deliver the winner an explanation. What you are doing is down right shameful. :kma:
I went for a day just to visit at the St Louis show. It was a great set up and there were older cues on display that you will not see anywhere else ever. I am more into collecting the older stuff myself and I really saw some impressive work. It is amazing to see the high end cues that were produced in the pre CNC days.And then to see what is produced with todays technology is really mind blowing. Cuemakers like myself are a little harder to impress than the general public, but I must say I was impressed with a lot of the work I saw there. I suggest everyone that can should go visit at least once.