What's up with this guy?

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I can't believe this guy can even make a shot

at 2:02 of this video we get a good look at his stroke. He puts a little low left on the cue ball and gets perfect on the next ball. I see no hint of any back hand english or pivot. I really hope somebody can explain this phenonenom to me
How can this be???

http://youtu.be/CpvCbKJLvMY
steven
Ps: if it works for you, great.
 
I don't understand the question, he shot a smooth, low left shot that did exactly what it should have.
I want to know howinell he shoots so well left handed:cool:
 
I don't understand the question, he shot a smooth, low left shot that did exactly what it should have.
I want to know howinell he shoots so well left handed:cool:

yeah he did, but he forgot to Pivot.
I don't get it either.
 
What are you talking about? Simple shot, easy position am I missing something here or are you joking?
 
What are you talking about? Simple shot, easy position am I missing something here or are you joking?

no joke. just wondering where the pivot was or the back hand english was or the something was. how is this possible without some kind of trick or something?
I don't get it
steven
 
I still don't get how a guy can pocket a ball without some kind of pivot or back hand english especially when hitting the cue ball off center. Damn.
 
Pivot??? Are you really serious?? Pivot?? :lol::lol::lol:

yeah, serious I am.
I've been reading so much on here about back hand english and when to Pivot. Maybe I am confused. This guy seems to just shoot so Straight, I don't know what to think anymore
steven
 
All Efren did was hit it with some center left and came off the rail. Nothing to it really. Well unless your a C/D player...
 
I watched the shot on the 8 a few times. He did not use any English, just a low center cue ball. If he did, it was so little that you would not be able to tell from the video anyways. I think some people might not really know where center ball really is...
 
If something is confusing to you and you don't know where to get the answers then drop it. Just play however you can and have fun. If you think you can use Efren to make fun of the aiming system guys you're way off base.
 
I watched the shot on the 8 a few times. He did not use any English, just a low center cue ball. If he did, it was so little that you would not be able to tell from the video anyways. I think some people might not really know where center ball really is...[/QUOTE

there was a bit of left there for sure.
as for the center of the ball, I am still searching.
steven
 
You must realize that the man shooting pool is not a real pool player but rather a Magician. Most of his act is done with a slide of the hand, smoke and mirrors.
 
If something is confusing to you and you don't know where to get the answers then drop it. Just play however you can and have fun. If you think you can use Efren to make fun of the aiming system guys you're way off base.

Just talking about back hand english and pivots, if you got an aiming system that works, or if you pivot or whatever, just do it. I am not confused. this thread was not to poke fun at any aiming system you might use. If your system helps you play better just do it.
I just don't see anything but straight back and straight through from Mr R.
steven
 
Wow.

So much noise about one easy shot?

I honestly can't tell from that far away and fuzzy video exactly where the cue ball was hit...but I know exactly where and how to hit the ball to accomplish what is needed there....so what's the big deal?

I just don't see how and why it could get so much attention...nor why or how anybody would be in any way confused by what he did.
 
Just talking about back hand english and pivots, if you got an aiming system that works, or if you pivot or whatever, just do it. I am not confused. this thread was not to poke fun at any aiming system you might use. If your system helps you play better just do it.
I just don't see anything but straight back and straight through from Mr R.
steven

With the top players you won't see any pivots and obvious adjusting. They know how to look at the balls and slide into the shot.

With ANY method of aiming the actual mechanics blend into a smooth motion as the player goes down into the shooting position after enough table time with it.

Stevie Moore uses ProOne and someone got on here a while back and swore that he doesn't because they watched him play all weekend. You can watch Stevie play and he simply sights the shot and slides into it and fires. If he didn't tell you what he is doing you wouldn't know it.

Same thing with Shane. He was gracious enough to explain how he aims but until he did it no one on the planet could have looked at him playing and said how he aims.

Same thing with Darren Appleton. He endorses a method called the See System and said clearly that it's very similar to what he already did before it was put into a book form. But NO ONE on the planet would have known what he does simply by watching him play.

Unless you hear it from Efren directly you don't know what he is seeing before he gets down on the ball. As for backhand english the movement is so slight that you wouldn't see it anyway.

Bustamante is famous for stroking to the lower left of the cueball on almost every shot and then coming through the cueball with whatever spin he needs.

Other good players do it as well, including Shane who says he does it because Bustamante does it.

The only recorded information we have from Efren is that he has several ways to aim depending on what the shot calls for. From a 1996 article on aiming.

Regarding the pivot it's just a body shift into position. Call it settling into the shot if you want to. That's really all it is. It's been blown way out of proportion with a lot of people trying hard to explain it. The best way to think of it is this in my opinon:

You sight the shot with your body in one position and as you come into the shot your body shifts (pivots) slightly to settle into the shot line. That's how I see it. Now it can rightly be described in terms of following an arc, and being centered in a certain area but it's really just sighting and then settling in as far as I can tell.

So you wouldn't see any discernible hard pivot movement with Efren. No visible stop at one point and then a hard movement to another position. What is happening is that the "pivot" is contained in the fluid motion from the standing-sighting position to the down-on-the-ball shooting position.

Approach-Sight-Slide In-Shoot.

Get yourself doing that and you will be happy as long as you are making more shots than you miss.
 
yeah, serious I am.
I've been reading so much on here about back hand english and when to Pivot. Maybe I am confused. This guy seems to just shoot so Straight, I don't know what to think anymore
steven

Don't think. Problem solved.
 
Some of us are new here, we don't get the inside jokes, maybe you @ssholes could clue us in? so we don't try to learn something that is obviously an inside joke?
 
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