What's with all the non-pricing?

ridewiththewind said:
For the most part, I agree. However, there are a lot of newer members here, and sometimes, to protect those who just don't know better, something needs to be said. A 'for instance', a Helmstetter (made in Japan) was listed for $1K, with a price drop to $900. For those that know better, we all know that while it might not be 'fair', these cues avg right around $300 in the current (and past) market...doesn't much matter the model. Is it right to sit back and watch some poor sap get ripped off for a cue that he could've bought 3x over?

I know, I know...some will say...'it's none of your business'...but isn't that exactly what is wrong with our world today? If you're not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.
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In instances like that I agree but Iam talking about ones like say somebody list a nice cue ex. Richard black. And it's easily a 2500 dollar cue but guy list it for 1k. U buy it and relist for 1800 and people write on ur thread or I've even seen them post links to the previous seller of the cue saying ur overcharging. Even though u have it priced great they only go by what it sold for before and with all cues that get recycled here on AZ u run into that problem quite often. I know not everybody is like that but there seem to be more and more that are these days. It's like if I find a boti for 1k and charge 2k u are a bad person on here even though u could never find one cheaper
 
HoldemRw said:
In instances like that I agree but Iam talking about ones like say somebody list a nice cue ex. Richard black. And it's easily a 2500 dollar cue but guy list it for 1k. U buy it and relist for 1800 and people write on ur thread or I've even seen them post links to the previous seller of the cue saying ur overcharging. Even though u have it priced great they only go by what it sold for before and with all cues that get recycled here on AZ u run into that problem quite often. I know not everybody is like that but there seem to be more and more that are these days. It's like if I find a boti for 1k and charge 2k u are a bad person on here even though u could never find one cheaper
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I get that...I do feel that it is much easier to define relative values when it comes to production cues vs custom cues...too many variables with custom cues.
 
a person who does not post a price is looking for a $ucker bigger than himself

asiasdad said:
What is really hurting a lot of sellers (flippers) is that the market is fresh out
of $uckers willing to pay stupid money for yesterdays AZB hyped up :"next big
name" cuemaker.

This leaves the seller (flipper) thinking the cue market is bad, when in reality
he was the last $ucker on the cue.
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asiasdad said:
a person who does not post a price is looking for a $ucker bigger than himself
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You may be correct now, but it didn't always use to be that way here...

I recall several times selling a cue here below market value in this same manner "PM for price", just because it was a trade-in at a show or something and we wanted to pass the good deal along quietly to a fellow AZer. Now I would never consider doing that here because it's far less of a community than it use to be. One of these new breed flippers would snatch it up and immediately put it right back up here, jacked up 20% or more. Customers use to buy cues to actually play with, you know....lol :)
 
You guys all have great points and I could not agree more but just keep repeating yourselves over and over, I hear an echo in the room.

I only comment because the thread is already at the top of the front page. Some honest sellers are getting turned off by your constant bumping of this thread!
 
Funny Sh!t

Last year I was looking for a Lambros and I PMed a guy for the price and he responded to me with "what do you think its worth?" I PMed back I think its worth $100 He called me an a$$hole and told be he blocked me and basicly that I was the devil. I just wanted to buy the cue but not the back and forth pricing B.S.
 
Yeah I don't do that I say pm for price if u pm me I just usually reply with a number. I have no problem saying price but just to me having them pm u for it keeps away some unnecessary thread bashing sometimes.
 
I like how Fourkings Cues does it! Little Kenny will post a $15,000 Szamboti and it will have the asking price! Some list $1000 cues without a price as to protect the buyer? LOL
 
joe
i am glad you are healthy now.sorry to hear you were ill
best wishes getting active again,i always
enjoyed doing business with you

dean
 
i blame the moderators..they "talk" about enforcing the rules but do nothing about it..theres more overbumps and no price listings constantly....this is not ebay their should be an asking price..and the.moderators should enforce these things..it does get annoying

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The second someone shows me a cue and says its for sale, then asks what will I give him for it, the conversation is usually over at that point. People will use me to price cues for them, some here, some via e-mail, at the show... sorry that advice is not free, anymore.

If I want the cue I tell them come back later in the day with your best cash offer and I'll see if I want to try and beat it or not. I am just not into that pricing someone's stuff for free crap anymore. Take my number to 10 other people... fu*k that, I am, a no nonsense type of guy. If I want to get jerked around, there better be a happy ending involved. j/k... :wink:

JV
 
Who cares about price and privacy. Those people have something to hide. I hangout at a watch forum and people are buying 20-50k dollar watches like Patek and Audemars.

Set a price and don't put out the new owner's name in public is all I ask.

Also, at that forum, if you don't set a price then you will be banned from posting. The sellers also must describe the item in truth. New or used. They have their own grading system too.

I also recommend an AZBilliards universal grading system of cues. So if you are selling something, you describe the product according to AZB grading system. Misrepresentation can result in a ban.

If the moderators want, I can definitely help in setting a grading system and help setup the new Marketplace. The forum that speak of is a pretty good foundation to follow when dealing with high ticket items.
 
dom_poppa said:
I also recommend an AZBilliards universal grading system of cues. So if you are selling something, you describe the product according to AZB grading system. Misrepresentation can result in a ban.

If the moderators want, I can definitely help in setting a grading system and help setup the new Marketplace. The forum that speak of is a pretty good foundation to follow when dealing with high ticket items.
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There is a grading system that most of us that have been here awhile understand:

NEW----that means NEW, unchalked cue
98+% condition....that means a cue that has been chalked and looks like new
95% condition ---excellent condition however played with cue

many cues & cases fall into this catagory as to be a 98%er it means the case
lived its life in a closet holding a closet queen cue.

I don't go below the above catagory percentage as to me anything below 95%
has RE FINISH ME written all over it,.

The exception could be a 90% all original, one owner Gus Szamboti or
another cue of that type of historical merit to leave it as is.

taper roll = WARPED
mint = something you put in your mouth

Lights out, hits a ton, monster player = BULL$HIT
because if the cue was all that it would not be
offered for sale in the first place.
 
asiasdad said:
There is a grading system that most of us that have been here awhile understand:

NEW----that means NEW, unchalked cue
98+% condition....that means a cue that has been chalked and looks like new
95% condition ---excellent condition however played with cue

many cues & cases fall into this catagory as to be a 98%er it means the case
lived its life in a closet holding a closet queen cue.

I don't go below the above catagory percentage as to me anything below 95%
has RE FINISH ME written all over it,.

The exception could be a 90% all original, one owner Gus Szamboti or
another cue of that type of historical merit to leave it as is.

taper roll = WARPED
mint = something you put in your mouth

Lights out, hits a ton, monster player = BULL$HIT
because if the cue was all that it would not be
offered for sale in the first place.
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I like your style. Great poster.

The bolded parts got me rolling.:grin:
 
All cues should be priced

Doesn't matter if it's 200 or 8000.

If the guy looking to trade the 9 cues just priced them fairly they would be gone. With cash he can buy whatever he likes.
If he wants to waste everyone's time...it's working.
I will fire an opening bid of 2200 on the 8 point josswest

Funny thing is even as a new member he knew he was doing wrong, did it anyway and gets away with it. Why? Because they are nice vintage cues versus low end cues. That is where the problem lies on the slippery slope.
 
dom_poppa said:
I also recommend an AZBilliards universal grading system of cues. So if you are selling something, you describe the product according to AZB grading system. Misrepresentation can result in a ban.
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There is no way on God's green earth AZ is going to get involved in a sale in any way, shape, or form. Too much liability...
 
I think there is a pretty simple solution here, been posted before.

Only allow the original post on the for sale section.
No replies. You got a question, send a pm.
Only allow one item for sell per post.
No more than 6 sales running at any given time. Any more than that, requires a paid vendor subscription.
Have guidelines, if AZ says you must put a price, list specs, etc... delete those that don't.
Delete completed sales.
 
jbullerjr said:
I think there is a pretty simple solution here, been posted before.

Only allow the original post on the for sale section.
No replies. You got a question, send a pm.
Only allow one item for sell per post.
No more than 6 sales running at any given time. Any more than that, requires a paid vendor subscription.
Have guidelines, if AZ says you must put a price, list specs, etc... delete those that don't.
Delete completed sales.
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Neh, it won't take. It's Logical, efficient and solves all the problems
 
I buy and sell a few cues (very few) but only because I'm searching for the perfect fit. Having someone post a simple picture of a cue with NO specs at all or no price at all is irritating.

So post some specs for the cue - basic stuff such as weight, length, and tip diameter(s) at the very least... along with the price. If it is a VERY high end cue, I can see pricing only by request but most of the time that is not the case.

It's amazing to me that people try to sell a cue based solely upon a picture.
 
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