What's wrong with APA rules?
- Thread starter Push&Pool
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1) you don't have to call anything
ex. you shoot to try to make the 6 ball, you miss the six but the cue ball caroms and hits in the 7. You get to keep shooting.
AnyPocketA$$hole
2) Not only do you have to call the 8 ball, you have to literally mark your pocket with some sort of object.......I have no idea how to describe how f*ing stupid this idea is.
3) The handicapping system in place promotes sandbagging
ex. you shoot to try to make the 6 ball, you miss the six but the cue ball caroms and hits in the 7. You get to keep shooting.
AnyPocketA$$hole
2) Not only do you have to call the 8 ball, you have to literally mark your pocket with some sort of object.......I have no idea how to describe how f*ing stupid this idea is.
3) The handicapping system in place promotes sandbagging
Unlike 9 ball where you... no wait... it's exactly like 9-ball.
Because drunk idiots will never try to claim that you really called a different pocket.
Any handicapped system will give people the opportunity to game the system. Of the couple I know of, APA's is definitely the easiest to mess with and has the biggest "reward" (i.e., free trip to Vegas) for doing it.
Better than these? I don't think that's possible...
The rules aren't hated, the APA in general is. Some players just like to look down their nose at it because it makes them feel better about themselves.
This is the correct answer.
You asked a serious question I will give you a serious answer.
The rule I dont like is no push out after the break in 9 ball. You are handicaped if you are high ranked player and breaking as you might hook yourself. This is especially true on freaking bar box.
In 8 ball, if I remember right, is if you make a stripe then you are stripes, I think it should be open after the break if you make a ball.
I hate league PLAYERS more than I hate APA. They are the nitiest bunch of folks I have ever seen.
Why?
They ***** about handicaps continiously instead of practicing, matching up, gambling, playing tournaments to try to get better.
They look at minor rule infractions as a way to win, instead of trying to beat their opponents.
Finally the APA sells this crap about going to Vegas. What they should be selling IMO, go out and have fun with your friends.
JMO
Ken
The rule I dont like is no push out after the break in 9 ball. You are handicaped if you are high ranked player and breaking as you might hook yourself. This is especially true on freaking bar box.
In 8 ball, if I remember right, is if you make a stripe then you are stripes, I think it should be open after the break if you make a ball.
I hate league PLAYERS more than I hate APA. They are the nitiest bunch of folks I have ever seen.
Why?
They ***** about handicaps continiously instead of practicing, matching up, gambling, playing tournaments to try to get better.
They look at minor rule infractions as a way to win, instead of trying to beat their opponents.
Finally the APA sells this crap about going to Vegas. What they should be selling IMO, go out and have fun with your friends.
JMO
Ken
I actually agree with this a lot of this (and it should be pretty clear that I'm a league player.) However, I see very similar behaviors on this forum from the non-league player. How long did the "poll to settle a bet" run? People going back and forth about what constitutes a "break out"? I've seen gamblers complain about giving spots or asking about fair spots... how is a spot not a handicap?
So... pots and kettles I guess.
Not me.
I can match up and play cheap and never have a problem. I am no big gambler, and if I sound like it then that isnt the case.
I play $5-10 a game 9 ball.
I play $10-20 a game one pocket.
We play in house leagues and ALL of the money gets paid back. Much smarter if you going to play leagues.
Ever try to match up with league player?
Ken
This^
So many people have this opinion about the APA, myself included. Rarely do any of the players do anything but complain that they are handicapped too high, or, in most cases, their opponent is handicapped too low.
All the while not making any attempt whatsoever to try to improve their game.
I still agree. However, the truth is that this is pretty standard human behavior: complain about something while not doing anything to change it.
I agree about the no pushout rule.
Personally I think take what you make to be the best way to play 8 ball strategically. Less break and runs make the game more interesting in my opinion.
I don't know where you live, but I have seen many league players willing to gamble and match up over the years. Saw it all the time in Vegas in the practice rooms.
The minor rule infraction comment is funny to me. It applies to everyone. Remember in the IPT when Karen Corr used her ferrule to reposition cue ball for the break? The rule was ferrule is part of the tip and her opponent called her on it and got the break. I don't see how a rule could be more minor than that.
For most people league is for going out and having fun with your friends. Most players aren't as serious as the majority of posters on this forum. If anyone doesn't like the rules then don't play. It's pretty simple. I don't see the reason to bash everyone who decides to play in that league and has fun doing it. We should be encouraging people to play pool. They love the game as we do so no reason to look down on where or how anyone plays.
BlackWing
Banned
Handicapping is stupid IMHO but I hope you're not trying to say no.1 and 2 are bad rules. Calling normal shots and not calling the black makes the game next to pointless.
And just last week there was a lengthy thread here about whether the OP was justified to not worry about the 3-foul rule because his opponent didn't tell him he "was on 2". Tournament player, not APA.
How many other threads are written about rules, and "nittiness"? Methinks that APA doesn't hold a monopoly on that. I'm quite sure that folks more directly involved than I can give countless more examples, up to and including pro's.
For the record, in my APA division, nitty rule occurances are few and far between. Do they happen, yes, but throw 100-150 people into a competitive environment a couple times a week and to not expect someone to do something similar is foolishly optimistic.
We are talking about pool players, after all, even lowly APA players. The one common theme that I have learned over the recent years that I became involved in pool is that pool players can and will do most anything.
Nothing wrong with handicapping, the issue is people cheat to work the system to make it easier to win. Without a handicap system in leagues and tournaments, the turnout for them will be cut by 80%. Only the top few tiers would ever play.
You have the rules reversed there, you have to call the 8 ball but not the others, the standard 8 ball rules is that you have to call every shot. Most people want every game, including 9 ball to have called shots.
No APA, no pool
If there was no APA most of the pool halls would be empty!! I dont play APA, but I know that the nights that APA players are in the pool halls that I go to, the pool hall is full and making money.
Pool players, non-league, cant keep the doors open at any pool hall worth going to. If you get rid of the APA what would your pool hall look like...,
it would be closed. So if you dont like the APA dont play in it, but dont act like its not a good resource for bringing new players into the game.
If we left it up to the gamblers to bring players in, the game would be dead, if we left it up to the pool halls, drunks and kids would be all thats left.
APA, BCA and anything else is what we got, play or dont, but we need all the action we can get.
If there was no APA most of the pool halls would be empty!! I dont play APA, but I know that the nights that APA players are in the pool halls that I go to, the pool hall is full and making money.
Pool players, non-league, cant keep the doors open at any pool hall worth going to. If you get rid of the APA what would your pool hall look like...,
it would be closed. So if you dont like the APA dont play in it, but dont act like its not a good resource for bringing new players into the game.
If we left it up to the gamblers to bring players in, the game would be dead, if we left it up to the pool halls, drunks and kids would be all thats left.
APA, BCA and anything else is what we got, play or dont, but we need all the action we can get.
BlackWing
Banned
No I did get the rules but I'm saying that calling any shot except the 8 destroys the game. I would hate to play like that.
I have never seen or heard of anyone playing where you call all shots except the 8-ball... where do they do that!?
No-one said you should call every shot except the 8. INCLUDING the 8. The rule in the APA now is that nothing is called but the 8 is.