What's wrong with pool? Look no further than NCIS 14.1championship

I don't think it would be fair to either Mr. Lipsky and Mr. Louie to speculate on the possibility of a rematch at this time. Let's congratulate both gentlemen for winning a spot. Their focus should be preparing for the upcoming World 14.1 championship. Let's not distract them prior to the start of the tournament, by dwelling on the past.

Hopefully Dragon Promotions is aware, and has a good solution in their play book by the time of the championships.
 
Randy,

This was not a scandal. And the mainstream media and the public had zero interest in pool well before this incident. They have zero interest in pool because it's boring to watch and it's not outside in nice scenery.

Nobody is more disappointed in the result of that night than I. I've replayed it countless times in my head in the two days since the tournament, wondering if I should have done it differently. There was a terrible confluence of events leading up to my decision, not the least of which that I was already dead tired, I had to go to work the next morning, and I had to drive myself home. I'd have been more dangerous than that lady on the Taconic if I played another 3 hour match at that point.

I'm upset with myself for not thinking of some alternatives: I could've asked my wife to take the train at 12:30 am to Comet, be picked up by Mr. Haley, so she could watch some of the final and then drive me home. I could've stayed in a hotel room that night, gotten three hours of sleep, and then driven to work in the morning (this was not a great option but I still didn't think of it). Finally, I could've asked Dan if he would agree to play the finals in the days leading up to the World Championships, since we'd both be at Comet anyway. If a delayed finals was good enough for the World Series of Poker Main Event, why not for us? I just didn't think of it, and in truth Dan may not have accepted it.

I wasn't thinking clearly about how many people might've been watching the live stream. I knew it was getting some pretty good numbers during the day, but I figured that the online audience was probably looking a lot like the live audience at that point - about 15 guys, 6 of whom were asleep at any given moment lol (I don't blame them ;) ).

With the current economic situation, and some big financial responsibilities I have coming up, even if I could've found a way home at 4am this was simply not the right time for me to stroll into work at noon on Monday. As many of you know, I could explain it was a national championship til I was blue in the face; to a non-pool player, all that sounds like is "I was out late playing pool."

One last thing in my defense - nobody in the room that night, not the tournament director, the room owner, Pat Fleming, Dan Louie, or any of the spectators expressed any level of dissatisfaction with my decision. I'm absolutely not blaming them - I'm just stating that, that night, there was no lingering feeling that I was doing something very wrong to the fans or the game. Everyone was just like, "It's late, I understand." In the room that night, there was no indication that a thread like this would be started the next morning.

However, the above information is not relevant to the fans or to the game itself. I owed everyone and myself more. I sincerely apologize to those affected and upset. I really had no idea of the magnitude of the situation until the next morning when I read this thread. And I'm just sick about it, to know that I played such a direct role in something that hurt the integrity of the game.

So back to the word "scandal". It's hurtful when what I did is compared to, say, what Strickland did against Corey Deuel all those years ago, quitting in the finals in front of paying spectators, at a regularly scheduled time (i.e., not 12:30am). That is disgraceful, that is a scandal, and that is not what I did. We also did not chop up the prizes; Dan Louie was the winner of the tournament, got all the first place goodies and money, and he completely deserved all of it. What a tremendous player he is, and I'm really happy I got to finally meet him and learn from him.

It's also hurtful when I've been such a responsible and (I hope) contributing member of the pool community for over a decade now, and now because of this regrettable situation it seems my name has been blackened to some.

- Steve

Steve, it is obvious to me from reading your post that you are really a great guy. I hope to get to play well enough to meet you someday.
 
I will let NYC cue dude respond but you will be surprised at what he has done and will maybe understand where he is coming from.BVal

I don't know BVal... NYC Cue dude could had done a lot for pool, but I feel his only intent on this thread is to criticize NCS for what really is the lack of popularity 14.1 in US. This game is just not popular in US and that's that.

I really don't know what his point is on this thread. He's coming off all angry about this and that about the same o'thing that's been wrong with pool for ages. Blah, blah, blah! But at the same time, he sounds like he is blasting NCS for all their efforts that -he did not "fund" or participate.

We know there are problems in pool... non professionalism, alcohol, drugs and cut ups! So what's new?

There are few people who are working hard to clean up the bad image of pool and trying to get the main stream involved - and NCS is one of the groups who are trying to get there!!!

So, they didn't finish the final match, but after all we all understand the situation with top two qualifiying and almost same prize fund. Also, there was not many participants, meaning people didn't want to qualify and pool rooms didn't want to support.

Low participants / no qualifying events directly resulted in the low payout. Few minor problems were out of NCS's control. But NCS is not going away. This was a learning experience and what they will do is go back to the drawing board to figure out what they can do to make it better for the next event. I am highly impressed with abilities and dedication of Holly and NCS staff for taking an mere idea into a solid production over night.

Oh, and NYC Cue dude, trust me, even if you didn't "help" revive the 14.1 World Championship, NCS 14.1 would had happened today! It will go on even when you no longer is involved, which I hear you are not presently.

NCS is about determining US National Champion in all disciplines of the game we love, 8 ball, 9 ball, 10 Ball, and 14.1.

S.
 
this is my point, exactly. Thank God the media wasn't in attendance. Report the results? Are you kidding me? There wasn't any results to report, just scandal. In fact, the final not being played would have been the only thing they would have reported on. I couldn't imagine opening a sports page a reading that any other sports final was cancelled because it was too late. No wonder mainstream media and the public has zero interest.

Rg

The mainstream media has zero interest because as Fats would say... everyone is playing for sea shells. As for the NCIS--- I think they did a super job. It's easy to knock someone when you're on the sideline. My view is this... I don't think the final would have accomplished anything when both players get an invite to the next stage and the cash difference prob didn't mean anything to anyone.

As for the chop at the end--- if you think pool is the only sport that does that, well... I don't know what to say with that. Poker has WAAAY more sponsors and cash and they chop/split all the time. Now, they might play it out, but the outcome was decided before the final table even started play. So what's worse... a faux-game that's total bullshit or two honest players being up-front and splitting because of the time. I play a lot of 14.1 and if I played all day and was in a 1am final (or whenever it was) and the outcome didn't affect my $ that much --- I wouldn't play either. That happens every day in every pool tournament on planet earth.

I personally think the NCIS will improve over time and get better with time management. I usually like your posts, Randy, but the tone of your posts are pretty insidious considering they're helping push and support the game you love as well. The world 14.1s that you sponsored had quite a few things wrong with them as well - but no one came on here pounding a hole through you - especially Mark Griffin.
 
For what? Steve Lipsky is one of the classiest, intelligent guys I have ever met in life. After reading through the thread, I'm embarrassed for the people attacking Steve's character. It's time for some to stop romanticizing the 'players' that helped keep the game down for so many years and recognize the people that are trying to elevate the game to where it belongs.

What's wrong with pool will NOT be found at the NCIS 14.1 championship.

Here's what's wrong with pool:

FACT: Efren Reyes is better at pool than Tiger woods is at golf.
FACT: Tiger Woods gets paid more to show up at tournaments than SVB got paid when he won the U.S. Open.

Fix it. Be part of the solution.

Or I will make a youtube video screaming and crying "LEAVE STEVE LIPSKY ALONE". And believe me, you don't want to see that. :smile:

LOL ill haveto say i disagree here for sure. but good other points
 
I don't know BVal... NYC Cue dude could had done a lot for pool, but I feel his only intent on this thread is to criticize NCS for what really is the lack of popularity 14.1 in US. This game is just not popular in US and that's that.

I really don't know what his point is on this thread. He's coming off all angry about this and that about the same o'thing that's been wrong with pool for ages. Blah, blah, blah! But at the same time, he sounds like he is blasting NCS for all their efforts that -he did not "fund" or participate.

We know there are problems in pool... non professionalism, alcohol, drugs and cut ups! So what's new?

There are few people who are working hard to clean up the bad image of pool and trying to get the main stream involved - and NCS is one of the groups who are trying to get there!!!

So, they didn't finish the final match, but after all we all understand the situation with top two qualifiying and almost same prize fund. Also, there was not many participants, meaning people didn't want to qualify and pool rooms didn't want to support.

Low participants / no qualifying events directly resulted in the low payout. Few minor problems were out of NCS's control. But NCS is not going away. This was a learning experience and what they will do is go back to the drawing board to figure out what they can do to make it better for the next event. I am highly impressed with abilities and dedication of Holly and NCS staff for taking an mere idea into a solid production over night.

Oh, and NYC Cue dude, trust me, even if you didn't "help" revive the 14.1 World Championship, NCS 14.1 would had happened today! It will go on even when you no longer is involved, which I hear you are not presently.

NCS is about determining US National Champion in all disciplines of the game we love, 8 ball, 9 ball, 10 Ball, and 14.1.

S.

I just meant that he was not just some armchair quarterback spouting off. He has done stuff. :) I am not saying I agree with him. Just saying.

BVal
 
My view is this... I don't think the final would have accomplished anything when both players get an invite to the next stage and the cash difference prob didn't mean anything to anyone.

As for the chop at the end--- ... So what's worse... a faux-game that's total bullshit or two honest players being up-front and splitting because of the time. .

Dave, from my standpoint, the fundamental purpose of the tournament was not to pay prize money and not to provide two people with spots in the World's Championship. As to prize money, yes, prize money is necessary to get top players to compete. As to the World's Championship, The NCS 14.1 National Championship would have been held even in the absence of the WC event. No, the fundamental purpose of the NCS event was to identify and crown a 2009 National Straight-Pool Champion. We now have a deserving champion -- Dan Louie -- but the absence of a final match was unfortunate.

And there was no money chop at the end. I believe what Steve said about that.
 
Dave, from my standpoint, the fundamental purpose of the tournament was not to pay prize money and not to provide two people with spots in the World's Championship. As to prize money, yes, prize money is necessary to get top players to compete. As to the World's Championship, The NCS 14.1 National Championship would have been held even in the absence of the WC event. No, the fundamental purpose of the NCS event was to identify and crown a 2009 National Straight-Pool Champion. We now have a deserving champion -- Dan Louie -- but the absence of a final match was unfortunate.

And there was no money chop at the end. I believe what Steve said about that.

I agree that the absense of the final match was unfortunate. However, playing a 150 or 200 pt (forget which) in the wee hours of the morning doesn't serve much purpose. I'm sure things could be done differently to help with match/time management in the future --- and I'm confident the NCIS is on top of that already.

I meant to say if there was a chop or whatever, big deal. I think the criticism of the NCIS over what did or didn't happen when they're still in the learning phase is a little much. At least they're doing something for the best game in the world. This thread would have been MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH better if Randy (being the angel who revived the world 14.1) would have "suggested" ways of improving the NCIS tournament rather going-off about how they're ruining pool's image. That's the most absurd thing I've read in a long time on here.
 
I just meant that he was not just some armchair quarterback spouting off. He has done stuff. :) I am not saying I agree with him. Just saying.

BVal

BVal,

Thanks for explaining "yourself" farther, however, I don't' think it justifies NYC cue dude's action a bit about starting this thread.

He made clear time and time that he was some one "important" at one time in 14.1. You didn't have to back him up on his claims.

I used to respect him before as one of the good guys... I just am baffled and disappointed beyond my conscious for what he's intention of starting this particular thread...:frown:

S.
 
BVal,

Thanks for explaining "yourself" farther, however, I don't' think it justifies NYC cue dude's action a bit about starting this thread.

He made clear time and time that he was some one "important" at one time in 14.1. You didn't have to back him up on his claims.

I used to respect him before as one of the good guys... I just am baffled and disappointed beyond my conscious for what he's intention of starting this particular thread...:frown:

S.

Sunny,

I really am sorry. All I was doing was lettng mia know. I am not trying to justify anything or back anyone up. As I said I was just sayin.

Take care,

BVal
 
Sunny,

I really am sorry. All I was doing was letting MIA know. I am not trying to justify anything or back anyone up. As I said I was just saying.

Take care,

BVal

BVal,

It's alright, no love lost between you and me. Just thought it was funny you came off as supporting NYC cue dude. I know what you meant now. Dint' need to be sorry about it. It's not you I'm disappointed.;)

S.

Still thinks BVal is cool:cool:
 
BVal,

It's alright, no love lost between you and me. Just thought it was funny you came off as supporting NYC cue dude. I know what you meant now. Dint' need to be sorry about it. It's not you I'm disappointed.;)

S.

Still thinks BVal is cool:cool:

Thanks Sunny.

BVal<----thinks Sunny is cool too :)
 
Wow

Bob,
I do not know how to put the link here and I do not know your e-mail address.I have a U tube clip in the face book showing Ronnie doing 147 in 4:37 seconds.I wish I had advanced knowledge of Internet operations.

The speed pool guys would never stand a chance. A 147 in under five seconds!

Might need a slight edit. :D

I assume that it was a 147 in four minutes thirty seven seconds. That still kept a ref stepping and fetching on the seven ball!

Hu
 
Bob,
I do not know how to put the link here and I do not know your e-mail address.I have a U tube clip in the face book showing Ronnie doing 147 in 4:37 seconds.I wish I had advanced knowledge of Internet operations.

That and the Semi Sayinger tape are the two most amazing on the net.
 
The speed pool guys would never stand a chance. A 147 in under five seconds!

Might need a slight edit. :D

I assume that it was a 147 in four minutes thirty seven seconds. That still kept a ref stepping and fetching on the seven ball!

Hu


yeah, typo.I meant to say 4 minutes and 37seconds.thanks for the correction.
 
Last night's PPV scotch doubles 10 ball match between Appleton/Majid and Boyes/Melling finished 30-35 at about 5 a.m Uk venue time, a mere 5/6 hours longer than would have been anticipated.

NYC cuedude would be pleased? :p :)
 
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