What's your shot??

I was thinking along 3andstop's method, and maybe break up the 2 and 9. Then you either have a shot on the 2 or at least an easier safe if necessary.

I can't draw the length of the table effectively or consistently, so I couldn't attempt Neils shot.

Good stuff. Again. :thumbup:
 
Neil said:
Here's another one that came up last night. You have ball in hand. Diamond bar box. Don't remember the score on this one, I think it was 2-3 going to 5 in favor of my opponent. He is an A player. I thought about using the one to break out the 2-9 ( 2 won't go even with throw). And putting the cb behind either the 7 or the 6. I just couldn't see myself pulling it off. I still feel it was the right shot, I just knew that for some reason I would botch it if I tried it, so, I knew enough not to try it. If you see failure coming, you will fail. So, I tried something else that worked by accident, but, ashamedly, I failed to get out on this relatively easy layout once the balls were opened up.:(:o How would you play this?
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Assuming the 2 ball doesnt go, no reason to try to break it out myself. The 7 ball is on the rail, so I would kick it into a better spot while playing safe.

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No way I'm ducking. I'm drawing back (I'm assuming it's good equipment we're playing). I'm not sure if I'm coming off the bottom rail or straight back, either suit my taste. But even if I gaff my direct line to the 9, I've still got a great chance to back door the break out. The target is HUGE. There's no risk of scratching and the worst I can do is have the 9 stymie me - perhaps 10% of the time, which isn't a death nail.

If I fail to get a green light on the 2, I can duck then.

I'm confident I'm rearranging the 9/2 the vast majority of the time. The question is whether I get a decent shot on the 2, which if successful, the table lays as easy as a drunken prom date in the back seat of Daddy's station wagon. :grin-square:
 
I don't play much 9 ball but when I do I always get in trouble trying to do too much. But since I see the power draw solutions, I was wondering what is wrong with this one. Seems like a simpler stroke to control?

Darn it I can't get the table up.

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Thanks CreeDo
 
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its easier to gauge the path of the cueball coming back two rails to the side rail and into the 9 than the bottom rail as you diagrammed. Its not a power draw shot. it more like a little bit of draw with left.
 
Hi Neil :-)

some ways which have been shown up here are for sure do-able. But i would try to pocket the one-ball and trying to break the 2/9 mini-cluster. The chance is high to get a good position after hittin them (of course with the correct speed)- and if not hittin good or missing the cluster you have still good chances to play a safety then.
The safety you discussed about (the one where you re using the 30° rule:grin-square:) must be played 100% perfectly-otherwise the chance to leave your opponent a shot is unfortunatley great.

I would choose the way to break the cluster this way:

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just my 2 ct^^

lg
Ingo
 
uwate said:
its easier to gauge the path of the cueball coming back two rails to the side rail and into the 9 than the bottom rail as you diagrammed. Its not a power draw shot. it more like a little bit of draw with left.
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I get your point about the "power draw" just using terms I read here.

Not to argue I'll have to believe a 9 ball player, but it seems very simple to me.

1/2 ball hit on the 1 and a tip left brings me to the first diamond from the corner. At least on a 3C table it works that way.
 
Neil, I'm shooting what you shot all day. Lining up the angle to draw straight into the 9, and hitting it nice and hard. The way the 9-2 is sitting, I feel like I'd be quite unlucky not to end up with a good shot. The percentage of the time I run out using that option is higher than the percentage of winning the game at all against an A player using any other option, in my opinion.

-Andrew
 
I agree with this as the best shot if you don't want to play safe beside the 7 and move the 1 up to the 2/9 area. I'd rather shoot this shot, so many good things can happen even if you don't get perfect. Still play safe ect.

Ratta said:
Hi Neil :-)

some ways which have been shown up here are for sure do-able. But i would try to pocket the one-ball and trying to break the 2/9 mini-cluster. The chance is high to get a good position after hittin them (of course with the correct speed)- and if not hittin good or missing the cluster you have still good chances to play a safety then.
The safety you discussed about (the one where you re using the 30° rule:grin-square:) must be played 100% perfectly-otherwise the chance to leave your opponent a shot is unfortunatley great.

I would choose the way to break the cluster this way:

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just my 2 ct^^

lg
Ingo
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suck it ;)

As it's a 7 footer I can place the CB @ a foot or so away and reach it comfortably. I think I'm more accurate (in this case) drawing straight back than going off the lower rail.

I'm a fairly conservative strategy player and have taken some heat for ducking some shots, but giving my opponent any chance to gain control at this point seems unwise to me. But... I love the bottom half of the CB.
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
I'm a fairly conservative strategy player and have taken some heat for ducking some shots, but giving my opponent any chance to gain control at this point seems unwise to me.
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I totally agree. You cannot win in the long run against a good player, unless you run out when the runout's there. And in this case, I really think the runout's there, and the easy way to make it happen is to draw straight back.

-Andrew
 
Holy Cow, I can see cue table diagrams at work now!!! Its a beautiful thing, (tear in eye).
 
I keep forgetting this example is on a 7-footer. I'm just so accustomed to the 9-footers I play on I lose perspective on the topic at hand, and automatically relate the shot setup to what I see regularly.

In the instance of a 7-foot table, the draw shot isn't necessarily out of the question, even for my limited skills. I still think I'd try to do the two-rail breakout, but that's more in-line with my skill set or lack thereof. I know many players locally who could execute that draw shot quite nicely, or at least make a good attempt. I do see both options clearer now.

Must. Read. Setup. Completely. :grin:

Thanks again, gang. Loving this stuff.
 
3kushn said:
I don't play much 9 ball but when I do I always get in trouble trying to do too much. But since I see the power draw solutions, I was wondering what is wrong with this one. Seems like a simpler stroke to control?

Darn it I can't get the table up.
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3 kush, just put that link you copied between two tags like this:

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I don't like your shot as much because the angle is not natural. I can easily see over or under spinning it and missing your break.

I sort of like Ratta's zigzag route (almost no draw needed, a little more natural).

You know, we can take away all the "how much will it spin off the rail" guesswork... and just draw straight back... either to run into the cluster directly, hit the footrail and run into it. Or even to intentionally draw near the cluster without hitting it and playing the stop shot safety on the 2. Remember it's a bar box. This isn't 7 feet of draw, it's just 5. Although it's difficult to draw accurately without going sideways a bit, I like my chances of contact.
 
Richardson said:
I agree with this as the best shot if you don't want to play safe beside the 7 and move the 1 up to the 2/9 area. I'd rather shoot this shot, so many good things can happen even if you don't get perfect. Still play safe ect.
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Thats too risky for me, but sure it could work. If you use the 1 ball for the break out, and hit the 2 instead of the 9, you could scratch(or end up with a poor shot).
 
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Neil said:
Here's another one that came up last night. You have ball in hand. Diamond bar box. Don't remember the score on this one, I think it was 2-3 going to 5 in favor of my opponent. He is an A player. I thought about using the one to break out the 2-9 ( 2 won't go even with throw). And putting the cb behind either the 7 or the 6. I just couldn't see myself pulling it off. I still feel it was the right shot, I just knew that for some reason I would botch it if I tried it, so, I knew enough not to try it. If you see failure coming, you will fail. So, I tried something else that worked by accident, but, ashamedly, I failed to get out on this relatively easy layout once the balls were opened up.:(:o How would you play this?
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Thanks for specifying bar box. I didn't comment because I don't play on bar boxes.

When I saw the streaming match between Joey and James Walden, I watched their patterns and realized in some cases, it's almost like we are speaking a different language compared to the equipment we play on.

They really use all the pockets and shoot and bank downtable at will. Shooting safes you really have to lock up the balls because banking and in some cases kicking are too easy. I may know what I would do on a 9 footer, but I don't know if that would be effective on a bar box.

Chris
 
Neil said:
Here's another one that came up last night. You have ball in hand. Diamond bar box. Don't remember the score on this one, I think it was 2-3 going to 5 in favor of my opponent. He is an A player. I thought about using the one to break out the 2-9 ( 2 won't go even with throw). And putting the cb behind either the 7 or the 6. I just couldn't see myself pulling it off. I still feel it was the right shot, I just knew that for some reason I would botch it if I tried it, so, I knew enough not to try it. If you see failure coming, you will fail. So, I tried something else that worked by accident, but, ashamedly, I failed to get out on this relatively easy layout once the balls were opened up.:(:o How would you play this?
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Why not pocket the 1 and send the CB 2 rails and try to bump the 9? i think that's what i would have tried to do
 
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