What's your Shot??

If this same shot scenerio came up in a major match of any type and not just practice, what would you do, go for the shot or play safe?
 
KMRUNOUT said:
...does it account for the english the cue ball will pick up as it hits the rails?
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No, this measurement shows the "equal angle" ("geometric") track, which doesn't take spin and friction into account. The spin picked up by the CB widens the angle, so you almost always have to aim closer to the corner than the measurement indicates.

It's a very useful measurement, but this adjustment is key.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
No, this measurement shows the "equal angle" ("geometric") track, which doesn't take spin and friction into account. The spin picked up by the CB widens the angle, so you almost always have to aim closer to the corner than the measurement indicates.

It's a very useful measurement, but this adjustment is key.

pj
chgo
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And that's a useful post to the thread. Welcome back, Mr. Johnson! :smile:
 
alphadog said:
Should I be embarrased to think of cutting 4 down the rail-cb back across
to break out 6&7? Believe if I miss the break out still have a second chance with the 5. 1.2,3,4 or no rails!

Really like the post about "Just knowing". Confidence is very valueable.
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No embarrasment for considering all options.

I think a quick risk/ reward analysis will lead to the conclusion that you (a decent player) are going to make the 4 in the side 100% of the time, cutting in the corner 70% of the time. Further that apple to the breakout...50% chance you hit the cluster on the side of the 5...keep going: 50% chance the cb strikes 'em thinly enough to leave a workable shot on the 5.

4 in corner: .7x.5x.5= 17.5% chance of out

What? It is as scientific as Neil's aim angle system!;)
 
Neil:
This system, once you are used to it, only takes seconds to do.
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Yes, it's really easy after some practice.
And, it gives you a definite aim point instead of just a guess that might be clouded at the moment by pressure in the game.
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It gives you a definite "guide" that you can use to estimate where the actual aim point should be - because of spin picked up from the OB and rails you almost always have to aim closer to the corner than this measurement suggests.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
No, this measurement shows the "equal angle" ("geometric") track, which doesn't take spin and friction into account. The spin picked up by the CB widens the angle, so you almost always have to aim closer to the corner than the measurement indicates.

It's a very useful measurement, but this adjustment is key.

pj
chgo
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I think I said it before in this thread, but I believe the cluster is about as hi up that rail as the cb can go from the 2 rails out of corner track...meaning you gotta send CB as deep into that corner as possible.

AKA: I agree!
 
Me:
...this measurement shows the "equal angle" ("geometric") track, which doesn't take spin and friction into account. The spin picked up by the CB widens the angle, so you almost always have to aim closer to the corner than the measurement indicates.

It's a very useful measurement, but this adjustment is key.
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Neil:
I guess you missed post #17.
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The question was asked after post 17, so I'm helping you to clarify.

Good instructional post as always, Neil.

pj
chgo
 
Cut the four ball thin into the corner. Hit the seven ball on the side pocket side with the cue ball to get shape on the five balll.

Best,
Mike
 
Neil said:
How do you KNOW what that angle is, and how do you know how to aim it without missing them??
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Actually, this is quite simple and the margin for error on the draw off the five is huge as long as you shoot the five from the right place. As you've got such a simple four ball, you can expect to be able to get any angle you want. With a tougher four ball, this is a different question.

Your three railer to hit the front of the cluster is an excellent choice if it's in one's comfort zone. As a frequent three cushion player, I certainly know how to approach getting that angle.

My problem remains that the shot you suggest requires a lot of accuracy, and if you go just a fraction of a diamond too long and catch the cluster before the long rail, there are just too many ways to scratch.
 
Neil said:
hmmm... not sure if you are being serious or not. But, I find that interesting. I didn't take the 4 to the corner because it just didn't feel like a very high percentage, even though I figured making the 4 should be high percentage. I find your little formula very interesting. My "gut" said don't shoot it, now I know why.

Now I'm curious, is that the proper way to asses the shot? Or are you pulling my leg with it?? I really don't know how to figure odds that way.
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Naa, no real science there, sorry to say.

Just based on experience.

I think it would be a significant error to shoot that 4 in the corner, and I HATE side pockets.
 
sjm:
...the margin for error on the draw off the five is huge as long as you shoot the five from the right place.
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A simple way to find the right place:

1. Draw a line from the target pocket extending through the 5 ball and past it. Let's call this the "pocket line".

2. Draw another line from the 5 ball to the 7 ball (the target you want to hit with the CB). Call this the "drawback line".

3. Note the angle formed by the "pocket line" and the "drawback line" and draw a third line on the opposite side of the "pocket line" that forms an angle half this size.

4. You want the CB to be about on this third line, close to the 5 ball. Shoot the shot with maximum draw effectiveness (as low and slow as possible).

pj
chgo

P.S. Sorry I can't seem to use the Wei table with this browser (IE 8).
 
Looking at it, I would think of pocketing it in the corner, and coming 2-3 rails behind the 6 & 7.

Don't know if this is a good shot, but I think that might be something I would consider.

Pete
 
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