When is enough, enough?

Shortside K said:
This seems more like a "Hey! Look at me." story.
You could have asked your question without giving all the details of the match-ups and $.
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Trust me if it was a "hey, look at me story" then i have tons more to tell. It want even that much money. I used the amounts to show that it wasn't even over that much money. Thanks for the criticism though. If i ever write about one of those $1000+ nights just to brag I'll let you know.
 
Inferno said:
If it were me, I'd have told him he had one chance to get his money back. All he had to do was take off his pants and hand them to me.

If he took the deal I'd say "this is what it feels like if someone beats the pants off you!"
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AWESOME answer! This is my favorite by far, but if you do this you had better be ready to fight. I hope I get to use this line some day!:wink:
 
IMO, "enough is enough" whenever you or he is ready to quit. I know the common practice in pool is to NEVER quit ahead, but that's just absurd. One of the many reasons I left pool for poker is there is never any issue with the timing of one's quiting. With the minor exception of winning a big hand within the first few orbits and immediately leaving, you are free to come and go as you please. In poker, knowing when to quit while you're ahead is just as important as knowing when to quit when you are behind. If I have been 8+ hours, winning a good amount, and I become tired enough my focus suffers, I quit the game without even the first wimper from other players.

Pool IMO should be the same way. If you have been playing a few hours, and are ahead, if you are tired and will likely start playing less optimally, or you're just not interested in playing any longer, you should be free to quit at any time. Of course it would be polite to offer to play another day, and you should honor such an offer. Or, if you agreed to freeze up an amount of money, or play a certain amount of sets, you should also honor this.

If you're feeling guilty you're taking too much money from someone, and that bothers you enough you want to quit, IMO, you should be able to quit. I personally would likely keep playing in this situation, but your personal values are just that....personal.

The age old never quit while ahead in pool is likely something drummed up because someone was losing and knew they would likely be able to outlast the other person stamina wise and get their money back. Its a terrible "etiquette" that is almost never seen in any other aspect of gambling.
 
9Cheeser said:
I just finished playing a young guy tonight and it was really bad for him. We started playing around 6:30. I was giving him the 8 and breaks in 9 ball on a diamond 9' for $10 a game. He was down $70 and decided he would up the bet to $20 a rack if i gave up the last 2 also. I agreed and ended up running him into the ground for another $220. Then he went to the ATM, came back furious and said he would play races to 5 for $100 if i gave the same weight plus two games on the wire. I hesitantly agreed hoping he would win some of his money back because he was getting really pissed. I won the first three races and he paid up then proceeded to tell me he would see me in the parking lot. Sorry this was so long but i had tip tell the story before i ask this....when is a good time to quit when your up? I've never not given someone a chance to win their money back, but when ours obvious they can't beat you and will start trouble, when do you quit? Anyone else ever have something similar happen?
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It's not fool proof but I think the clock is a good way to end a match, although some people like **** don't think so. Assign a particular time to quit. Although some people will use the clock to their advantage. If they are ahead beating your brains in they keep playing after the agreed hour. If you start making a comeback they remind you that the witching hour has already passed. :grin:
 
Been there, done that, it seems hundreds of times.

When in that situation, I try to "fog" the issue. Instead of discussing the parking lot, I change the conversation to anything else. I act very calm like I didn't even hear it.

Like "Good lord, look at the butt on that blonde over there!" or "Thinking of having a BBQ this weekend. How 'bout you and your girlfriend come over?"

Anything, it doesn't matter. Just change the subject. Deflect the confrontation.

If that doesn't work, I tell 'em I'm going up to pay for "OUR" pool time and when you calm down, I want to buy you a drink.

Then, just walk away.

Go to the bar and alert security or the manager of the problem.

A couple of rules I always follow:

I will not gamble with anyone drinking in excess because they start running on emotion and not logic. If someone gets drunk or threatening while I'm playing 'em, I dump until I break even and quit.

What have I lost? Nothing, nada, zip. I learned a lesson and I will never play 'em again under any circumstances.

However, I LOVE playing pot smokers. They lose and still have a good time. Never been threatened by one yet.

Problem in the future is he will be back to gamble to win his money back and he will want the last spot you gave him, if not more.

I wouldn't play him again simply because he threatened you. Even if he apologized, it would still be a no go for me.

Just not worth it.

Rest assured, in the future he'll try that with the wrong person and, then, learn a life lesson if he lives through it.


Stones< would rather have a root canal with no anesthetic than play a bonehead with a bad attitude that I could spot the rainbow to.
 
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PM BOX is full

Cheeser, your PM box is full. Going to have to clean a few out so I can PM you.
 
Chopdoc said:
I think there is a lot more fighting in parking lots than in a ring, LOL! And it seems to me that a parking lot is a more appropriate place for a real fight as well.



Anyway, I don't think there is an easy answer, and I think you really did all you could for the guy.

What would I have said when he said he would see you in the parking lot? I would ask him how much of a spot he needed there.


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Many years ago, a guy kept baiting my buddy who was about 6'5" and 300 pounds. He was kinda dumb and good natured as nobody usually messed with him. Long story short, they wound up in the parking lot. My buddy, who was not, and had no need to be, much of a fighter, got hit a few times. He got angry, picked the guy up by the crotch and the neck, walked over to a cinder block building wall, turned the guy over and banged him against the wall a few times. Then he dropped the guy on his head from about 3' off the ground. We all just walked away. Never did find out what happened to the guy as he just lay there on the ground. And that is only one of several parking lot fights from my days in the Marines.

Parking lot fights can be really bad and should be avoided. You punch a guy out in the room and it is one or two swings before someone stops it. Much gentler.

Saw a guy get his lips cut off with a beer bottle in a parking lot fight -- Not a pretty sight.
 
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I would tell the guy, "I have to leave in 30 minutes. what do you want to play for on this last set?" If it was reasonable I might let him win and walk away with something. An investment -- he might be back next week when he thinks he is on his game.
 
9Cheeser...Here's how the "old school" guys used to get around it. My mentor, Jack White, would come into some place, looking to gamble, but waiting for someone to come up to him. He would always give the person a "time limit" that he had to adhere to (i.e.: "Gotta pick the wife up at the beauty salon in 2 hrs, or at X o'clock"). He would always say he was only in town for the day...even though he could have stayed for a month! LOL I used that concept many times gambling, and never ever got into trouble, or had to give the money back, for fear of getting beat up etc.

Scott Lee
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9Cheeser said:
I just finished playing a young guy tonight and it was really bad for him. We started playing around 6:30. I was giving him the 8 and breaks in 9 ball on a diamond 9' for $10 a game. He was down $70 and decided he would up the bet to $20 a rack if i gave up the last 2 also. I agreed and ended up running him into the ground for another $220. Then he went to the ATM, came back furious and said he would play races to 5 for $100 if i gave the same weight plus two games on the wire. I hesitantly agreed hoping he would win some of his money back because he was getting really pissed. I won the first three races and he paid up then proceeded to tell me he would see me in the parking lot. Sorry this was so long but i had tip tell the story before i ask this....when is a good time to quit when your up? I've never not given someone a chance to win their money back, but when ours obvious they can't beat you and will start trouble, when do you quit? Anyone else ever have something similar happen?
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Don;t feel bad, i lost 200 dollars when i was 17 playing against my brother who was then 27 (he didnt mind a bit). i was pissed that i sucked so bad and that i lost all my cash. It was a lesson learned and i wouldnt have it any other way. i will still gamble and even put my stick on the line when i run out of money ( done that before) Bu the lesson learned is dont feel bad about taking someones money and vise versa... its called gambling for a reason. You might have done him a favor! He could have lost more than that to someone else down the road....
 
Generally speaking from a beginner, I dont win when I play better players. I dont go to halls to hustle or anything, I go for around 3-4 hours each time. Last time I was in there I was working on Masse's some guy came over and asked me to gamble Played 6 games for 5$ a piece and he just kept trying. He was your typical bar banger, after the 6th game I told him thats enough if you want to play me its for free or you can go elsewhere. As far as losing, I can say I dont lose because I dont usually gamble. When I do its with people I know, or have seen a few times and shot with before. So its kind of a protecting my losses.
Although today I lost a whopping 1.79 because I wasnt in stroke today, I played stop shots and that was it.

I dont gamble because, I usually dont have anything Id be okay with losing. The night I had beat the guy I had won 40$ on a free entry poker tournament. And I dont really mind losing a bottle of soda or a dollar here and there, but generally I go more than even in the games.


Kind of rambling sorry
 
Cash on the table can really bring out the bastard in some people. Although you don't really expect this kind of behavior in a pool hall I guess you have to be ready for it, especially if you don't know the person you're playing. You guys that put your money up are much braver than me, I might play for a beer or a burger, maybe for bar tabs or something like that, but I'm way to cheap to put up anything I wouldn't want to lose even if I'm sure I can beat the guy
 
Love the story! I was drinking it up while on vacation at a bar by the beach, and a couple locals wanted to play a game of pool for $50. I figured what the hell, I was drunk. Beat the guy and could see he was not about to pay, so I told him not to worry about it, lets split a pitcher. Instead he decides he wants to take it outside to "kick my ass". I never could figure this out, as really I should have been the one threatening to kick HIS ass for the $50 he wasn't going to pay...pool hall logic?
 
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