When Matchroom purchased the U S Open from the Behrman family

tomatoshooter

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Matchroom/Emily Frazer did not swap the purple from 4 to 5!
When EF took over, all MR events and lots of other events all over the world (even including some in the US) were already using the Aramith Pro Cup TV colors. (pink 4, light brown 7).
When EF wants something, she does not like resistance!
EF wasn't really even aware of the traditional colors. She was basing her decisions/changes on the TV colored ball sets that she was familiar with.
So in her head all she has done is change the orange 5 to a purple 5.

Now this next bit is only my opinion........Because of the way EF operates, when she announced her demands, nobody around her had the balls to turn round and tell her "you can't do that, because the 4 ball was purple in the traditional sets"

Personally I like the TV colors. But if there is a purple in the ball set, it should always be the 4 ball
That's true, she was starting from a set that didn't have the purple 4. Personally, I would prefer different shades of the traditional colors and I think that could be done in a distinctive way to help identify the brand. I like the brighter purple, the darker purple was always problematic on my screen. It seems like the red 3 can often be too close to either the orange 5 or the maroon 7. If it was my choice, I'd make sure the green 6 was bright enough to stand out from the 8 and choose something else for the 7. Sometimes the 6 is close to chartreuse and that can be too close to yellow on my screen.

I wonder how important it really is to be changing the colors for smartphones. The small screen may make it harder to distinguish but I don't think that it requires different colors than any other screen. Anyone who is enough of a masochist to watch an hour long match on a phone is tough enough to deal with the colors, anyway. I question the wisdom of catering to people who don't care enough to find a real screen of viewing. This isn't limited to just pool, but there is a delicate balance between trying to reach potential fans and diminishing the experience for those who care enough to seek out the experience.
 

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America had 7 players make it into the final 32 of which 3 made it into the final 16 and zero beyond that. In the US Open 9 Ball Championship. ...
You're a round off there. It was 7 from the US in the Last 64, 3 in the Last 32, none in the Last 16.
 

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Were there no Americans willing to take it on?

The Brits would never consider changing the color of the balls in the English snooker championships because they have respect for the game. They have no respect for the American game which is why they screw with it for the sole purpose of trying to sell sets of balls with these new colors.

In order to watch the finals I was supposed to give my email address to the Brits and then likely get a bunch of spam in my inbox.
Yes. Hall of Famer Pat Fleming was set to take over the US Open iirc. He had actually run it successfully for several years prior to the sale. He was very gracious after essentially being screwed out of it IMO.

Hence the birth of the International Open - which is happening at the end of this month.

get the details at https://www.intlopen.com/
 

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Yes. Hall of Famer Pat Fleming was set to take over the US Open iirc. He had actually run it successfully for several years prior to the sale. He was very gracious after essentially being screwed out of it IMO.

Hence the birth of the International Open - which is happening at the end of this month.

get the details at https://www.intlopen.com/
Yes, but it came up roses after all for Pat. The International is an undeniable major that attracts very elite fields. It's also a Matchroom-affiliated event, offering Matchroom ranking points. American pool was the big winner here.
 

RobertaAgnor

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Yes. Hall of Famer Pat Fleming was set to take over the US Open iirc. He had actually run it successfully for several years prior to the sale. He was very gracious after essentially being screwed out of it IMO.

Hence the birth of the International Open - which is happening at the end of this month.

get the details at https://www.intlopen.com/
This right here is what I was going to say. Not to mention, as BB told me a few times, he didn't want to sell to Matchroom/Hearn because he didn't want it to leave here.

After the 40th, his plan was to "retire" from the Open & Pat was going to run it. Pat was so much more gracious about the whole situation, especially since he was blindsided by the sale.

My family & I will continue to show our support of the International Open by going to his tournament.
 

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This right here is what I was going to say. Not to mention, as BB told me a few times, he didn't want to sell to Matchroom/Hearn because he didn't want it to leave here.

After the 40th, his plan was to "retire" from the Open & Pat was going to run it. Pat was so much more gracious about the whole situation, especially since he was blindsided by the sale.

My family & I will continue to show our support of the International Open by going to his tournament.
Yep, and his kids cashed out. I guess they didn't want to carry on Barry's legacy. Can't blame them if that's not what they wanted to do.
 

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Were there no Americans willing to take it on?

The Brits would never consider changing the color of the balls in the English snooker championships because they have respect for the game. They have no respect for the American game which is why they screw with it for the sole purpose of trying to sell sets of balls with these new colors.

In order to watch the finals I was supposed to give my email address to the Brits and then likely get a bunch of spam in my inbox.
we have been changing the colors of the balls in tournaments for years. Lol YEARS . way back to using the elephant beautiful balls . The marble looking things. Multiple sets of tv balls. we have no respect for the American game if that’s considered disrespectful. Bunch of baby’s on here anymore lol
 

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I agree with most of your post. Except 8B isn’t easy. It’s a very difficult game with many small edges, moves, tricks and traps much like 1P. Don’t discount it as a “easy” game. I’ve robbed guys playing rotation games only to get robbed right back by them playing 8B. Firepower isn’t going to win 8B. Knowledge will, like 1P.

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It’s a child’s game. watch local tournaments . The guys who play nothing but 8 ball struggle to compete in a 9 ball tournament but the rotation players are just as good at 9 ball as they are 8 ball. It’s a fun game and I enjoy but the position play is simplistic compared to the knowledge you need to play rotation.
 

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It’s a child’s game. watch local tournaments . The guys who play nothing but 8 ball struggle to compete in a 9 ball tournament but the rotation players are just as good at 9 ball as they are 8 ball. It’s a fun game and I enjoy but the position play is simplistic compared to the knowledge you need to play rotation.
8B is easier for bangers to play. As they don’t understand shape, good side of the ball or how to move the CB.

However after you learn how to play pool a bit, then 8B becomes much more intricate of a game that 9,10B rotation games.

It’s not a linear thing we are discussing.

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Fatboy <——-knows a bit about pool. 😃
 

Poolplaya9

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It’s a child’s game. watch local tournaments . The guys who play nothing but 8 ball struggle to compete in a 9 ball tournament but the rotation players are just as good at 9 ball as they are 8 ball. It’s a fun game and I enjoy but the position play is simplistic compared to the knowledge you need to play rotation.
You got everything backwards. Eight ball, particularly on a bar box, is significantly more nuanced than nine ball and the knowledge and strategy is much more involved and takes significantly longer to learn and master. You are clearly one of those that is still in the "you don't know what you don't know" zone regarding eight ball.

As far as eight ball players and nine ball players playing each other, if you have two players that are truly equally physically skilled, but one is an eight ball specialist, and one is a nine ball specialist, and they play each other in both games, they are each likely to win at their respective games but the eight ball player is likely to win by a larger margin in theirs because knowledge plays a bigger part in that game.

I'm guessing what you are seeing without realizing it is that the eight ball players are on average not as physically skilled as the nine ball players and so when they lose it has led you to the erroneous conclusion that eight ball requires less knowledge but it is actually the physical skills that are different. One of the reasons for this is that people start off playing eight ball but once they reach a certain physical skill level and decide to get very serious about their game they tend to transition over to nine ball because that is what most of the tournaments are in and where most of the gambling happens so of course the nine ball players tend to be better players but it is more their physical skills and not that the game is harder because it is actually more simple and less nuanced than eight ball.
 
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RobertaAgnor

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Yep, and his kids cashed out. I guess they didn't want to carry on Barry's legacy. Can't blame them if that's not what they wanted to do.
Absolutely they had every right to cash out & not carry on. I knew better than some the issues went on, every family has complications. My opinion is the way Pat found should have been handled WAY differently.

I wish the Open nothing but success. I will continue to support Pat & his tournament, he doesn't have to keep having it here. I love that at least part of what Barry wanted is continuing.
 
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