When pros give trick shot shows?

u12armresl

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I was wondering for those of you who attend.

What do you think of pros (not pro trick shot guys like Massey, Stefano, Rossman) who give trick shot exhibitions and how do you rate the shows.

I actually remember back in the day a trick shot show by a pro consisted of the setting the 4 balls up by the side pocket and making one in each different pocket.

Wouldn't it be better to have the pros shoot stroke shots, I mean I've seen Earl's trick shot show and I was like meh, but then he would stroke shots, and I'm like yes more please.

What's your feeling on all this.
 
I haven't seen any of the modern pros do a trick shot show. Who does them besides Earl?

I remember seeing Willie Mosconi do one at Hard Times and "Machine Gun" Lou Butera do one at the old Billiard Tavern. Both were very entertaining.

I think all the pros should be ready to entertain a crowd with a series of trick shots if called on. We got to remember, people want to come out and watch pool to be entertained. Playing a great game is just one way to do that. Performing trick shots for an audience is another.
 
I'm not a fan of trick shots. I like to watch the pros play a quality match. One of my friends is one of the top pros (I won't mention his name because it will screw up his action) and he bets people money that he can make certain shots. Some of the shots seem to be impossible and would be considered trick shots by many. Those kind of trick shots I don't mind because they could be used in a match, but using a rack, and all types of other props just doesn't interest me.
 
I'm not a fan of trick shots. I like to watch the pros play a quality match. One of my friends is one of the top pros (I won't mention his name because it will screw up his action) and he bets people money that he can make certain shots. Some of the shots seem to be impossible and would be considered trick shots by many. Those kind of trick shots I don't mind because they could be used in a match, but using a rack, and all types of other props just doesn't interest me.

I'm with you on this usually.
Cowboy Jimmy Moore had a great show because , unlike Willie, the skill
of his shots were in the 'making', not in the 'setting up'.
I feel Mike Massey carries on this tradition and he often credits Jimmy.

But I do like Tom Rossman, his enthusiasm is infectious.
 
I think it's a complete waste of time. You do not learn anything that will help you play better and sit around watching someone shoot in a set up shot. I watched one of the pros miss one shot about ten times once after that I walked away to shoot some pool with a friend.
 
I was wondering for those of you who attend.

What do you think of pros (not pro trick shot guys like Massey, Stefano, Rossman) who give trick shot exhibitions and how do you rate the shows.

I actually remember back in the day a trick shot show by a pro consisted of the setting the 4 balls up by the side pocket and making one in each different pocket.

Wouldn't it be better to have the pros shoot stroke shots, I mean I've seen Earl's trick shot show and I was like meh, but then he would stroke shots, and I'm like yes more please.

What's your feeling on all this.
I think pros who do trick shots are great. I remember Jimmy Caras he was one of the best and did a great show. The thing with tick shots is they do several things. First they get the attention of people who don't really play of have that much interest in the game but may be curious.

Second, they teach. I was amazed to read here people think trick shots are worthless, quite the opposite. They demonstrate the physics of the game. Although set up, they represent things that come up in the lay of the balls and what happens often very surprising. Mentioning Jimmy Caras again, he always would say something like, "This actually can come up in a game or this came up in a game". Of course some exhibition shots are illegal and could never actually be played and are tricks, but most come from actual game situations.

In 14.1 for example, when you break open clusters to the unknowing watcher they think you randomly hit the clusters to open them. Actually the way the cluster will open is predictable depending on how or what ball you bump in the cluster. The same with picking shots out of the pack. If you study the pack you can make balls that seem at first glance look like they won't go with surprising results. The shots can later be replicated for the entertainment and education of an audience with a set up shot. I remember Lassiter saying once in an interview when asked why he didn't do exhibitions saying, "No one wants to sit there and watch you run a 100 balls". Was he right, probably, they want to be entertained and that needs to be geared the average attention span and knowledge base of an audience.

It is like learning or teaching anything, first you have to get their attention and trick shots do that. Get on a table in any pool room and begin doing trick shots and people will begin to watch and even participate IE, "That's cool have you ever seen this shot"? The game is supposed to be fun and people want to have fun watching, but it needs to also be entertaining. Most all of the trick shots shows I have ever seen are a mix of entertainment as well as education. The audience comes away amazed at what they saw, entertained by what they saw hopefully educated by what they saw.

The traveling trick shot artists are truly ambassadors of the sport as well as teachers and educators. They display their love for the sport beyond short term monetary gains of say the hustler. They present the game in an exciting and I am sorry to have to keep using the word, "Entertaining" way that grabs the public's attention and what more can we ask for.

I remember years ago seeing a guy most have never heard of, Sax Dal Porto do an exhibition in a department store. There must have been 200 people there to see him and he didn't disappoint, what a show, I don't know if there is anyone doing what he used to do back then but what he didn't went a long way to undoing much of the stigma pool has. Mike Massey comes to mind, he does do a whole show from pool to card tricks, magic and even singing. If we had a few more Mike Massey's traveling the country it would not hurt. Unfortunately most of the people traveling the country representing the sport would rather steal your wallet.
 
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macguy...Excellent post. What most folks here don't seem to understand, in their "dislike" for trick shots, is that in almost every 'show' 98 out of 100 people are NOT poolplayers, and as such really do respond to even simple shots. One of the things Jack White and Willie Jopling taught me, is that you can do simple shots well, rather than complicated shots (like the 15 ball shot), and people will applaud the same. The other thing is that even if you miss, give it a couple of tries, and make a joke, and move on to something else...instead of "I'll make that shot even if it takes me 10 tries". Remember that I'm talking about normal people, rather than the 'educated' players that most of the naysayers here are. George Fels has commented in print about how 'lame' the railroad shot is. However, I do that shot in every show I have done, for more than 15 yrs, and it gets the biggest 'hee haw' and appreciation from the audience. Pretty hard, imo, to call something lame that common people adore. Trick shots can teach things too...like how balls react in frozen collisions, and how where you strike the CB can have a huge bearing on what happens afterwards. If the top 100 pros actually went out and did shows (which would by nature include trick shots), they wouldn't be complaining about not being able to make a living. Somebody else said it well in another thread...sometimes the pros are just lazy (certainly not all of them, but it only takes a couple bad apples to spoil the barrel).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I think pros who do trick shots are great. I remember Jimmy Caras he was one of the best and did a great show. The thing with tick shots is they do several things. First they get the attention of people who don't really play of have that much interest in the game but may be curious.

Second, they teach. I was amazed to read here people think trick shots are worthless, quite the opposite. They demonstrate the physics of the game. Although set up, they represent things that come up in the lay of the balls and what happens often very surprising. Mentioning Jimmy Caras again, he always would say something like, "This actually can come up in a game or this came up in a game". Of course some exhibition shots are illegal and could never actually be played and are tricks, but most come from actual game situations.

In 14.1 for example, when you break open clusters to the unknowing watcher they think you randomly hit the clusters to open them. Actually the way the cluster will open is predictable depending on how or what ball you bump in the cluster. The same with picking shots out of the pack. If you study the pack you can make balls that seem at first glance look like they won't go with surprising results. The shots can later be replicated for the entertainment and education of an audience with a set up shot. I remember Lassiter saying once in an interview when asked why he didn't do exhibitions saying, "No one wants to sit there and watch you run a 100 balls". Was he right, probably, they want to be entertained and that needs to be geared the average attention span and knowledge base of an audience.

It is like learning or teaching anything, first you have to get their attention and trick shots do that. Get on a table in any pool room and begin doing trick shots and people will begin to watch and even participate IE, "That's cool have you ever seen this shot"? The game is supposed to be fun and people want to have fun watching, but it needs to also be entertaining. Most all of the trick shots shows I have ever seen are a mix of entertainment as well as education. The audience comes away amazed at what they saw, entertained by what they saw hopefully educated by what they saw.

The traveling trick shot artists are truly ambassadors of the sport as well as teachers and educators. They display their love for the sport beyond short term monetary gains of say the hustler. They present the game in an exciting and I am sorry to have to keep using the word, "Entertaining" way that grabs the public's attention and what more can we ask for.

I remember years ago seeing a guy most have never heard of, Sax Dal Porto do an exhibition in a department store. There must have been 200 people there to see him and he didn't disappoint, what a show, I don't know if there is anyone doing what he used to do back then but what he didn't went a long way to undoing much of the stigma pool has. Mike Massey comes to mind, he does do a whole show from pool to card tricks, magic and even singing. If we had a few more Mike Massey's traveling the country it would not hurt. Unfortunately most of the people traveling the country representing the sport would rather steal your wallet.
 
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