That kinda sucks to know. I just got mine less than a year ago and the choices for wood they gave me when getting the cue made definitely had no ebony in it. :crying:
When will the Southwest cue market come crashing down?
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That kinda sucks to know. I just got mine less than a year ago and the choices for wood they gave me when getting the cue made definitely had no ebony in it. :crying:
I ordered a wood combination I did not want and sold it. This in part because I was not playing any longer which I've since started up again. In retrospect I would have ordered it with cocobolo points. I also would have never stopped playing.
Lets be honest though if it was strictly the hit people were after you could reverse engineer one and pay any number of makers to build a knock off. The only thing missing is the name, and that is what people want. They don't use any special material or process which cant be replicated. In my opinion the real value should still be relative to the amount of time and resources it takes to build it with a premium percentage for name. When the latter part of that equation becomes greater than the first it no longer makes sense IMO.
He switched to Tiger after the first night against Scott.
Scott played with a QB all match long afaik.
SW does not make that many cues compared to their demand. And one man gets 20% of their production ( someone correct me if I'm wrong. But, an ex-worker there told me that. ).
So, there isn't that much for the open market. What you see are cues being flipped if you see any.
They make cues in just about one of the worst places you can make cues imo,
Las Vegas. Where it's mostly hot and super dry. So, they really have to cut wood super slow. They still use saw taper machines to taper their woods. And that's super slow.
I think most cues ( or a great percentage ) delivered don't even get played.
As a design engineer, this is one of my favorite ignorant comments that I hear all the time.
Parts I have made have been reproduced by customers of ours. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it causes damage to the parts they are making.
Like Dennis, it sure looked like Alex started that match with a Southwest.
It was definitely 6 points, no inlays, with a sectioned sleeve.
He did. Then he fell behind.
Switched to Tiger the second day and went ahead.
The Tiger butt is made to his specs.
Frankly, I don't know how Dennis can play with a thick handled cue like SW.
He has small hands.
And I am told the Taiwanese players sand the crap out of those SW shafts when they get them.
They become " pro-taper" when they get a hold of them.
Definitely not a thick curved taper in the middle.
Apples and oranges. Let's not use the term loosely.
I think Rolex is a better comparison.
The collaboration cues were no exception. The original buyer gets two cues a year from SW. Has for the last twenty years and will for the rest of his life. He sends the blanks to them and used his two spots to get them built.
Larry
You have to keep my comment in the context of everything I wrote. We are not talking about an extremely complex mechanical device that is part of a greater assembly. As a prototype machinist and someone who also builds cues I don't think my comment is said in ignorance. I am well aware of what is involved in building a quality made cue.
So twenty years ago this buyer started putting his name down for two cues a year every year since?
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Not uncommon...
Canadian ,lets be honest
no one has succeeded yet
why don't you do it then talk
I am the one who got two special cues
I was with SW at first,I could have bought them all but she wanted to let everyone who had helped them get started get 2 cues pr year
these orders are factored into the list
also Laurie threw away a big pile of her ebony,it was not holding up the way she
thought it should
it meant no ebony for anybody for a while
now she charges more for ebony nose
I never heard of her taking a depost either
so that lamebrain crack at her for nothing is wrong too
This little widow is really a great gal
why these jerks take cheap shots amazes me
if you don't want one,don't buy one
i know also that efren had Dennis Glenn get south west shafts for his cues
dozens of them
retail prices
thin tapers
quit complaining or knocking or whinning
you remind me of the guy who told everybody not to buy apple pies from the little widow with 5 children to support
Laurie does not get deposits up front for 12 years wait
she does not let her friend of 30 years get an unlimited amount of cues
she honors her list with very few special exceptions when she has a friend or family
and even then these were factored in
Not everyone will immediately play better with a South West
Dennis may use one for certain reasons only to switch because of playing conditions
I thought he won the first 5 games against Scott
Efren always has more than 1 cue ready
at the galveston tournament ,he kept changing cues against shannon
one of the cues was one he got of mine with a south west shaft
give the gal a break ,can the criticism
don't you ever get tired of being wrong
Doesn't it embarrass you when every statement is coerrected
by somebody who knows better
no one has succeeded yet
why don't you do it then talk
I am the one who got two special cues
I was with SW at first,I could have bought them all but she wanted to let everyone who had helped them get started get 2 cues pr year
these orders are factored into the list
also Laurie threw away a big pile of her ebony,it was not holding up the way she
thought it should
it meant no ebony for anybody for a while
now she charges more for ebony nose
I never heard of her taking a depost either
so that lamebrain crack at her for nothing is wrong too
This little widow is really a great gal
why these jerks take cheap shots amazes me
if you don't want one,don't buy one
i know also that efren had Dennis Glenn get south west shafts for his cues
dozens of them
retail prices
thin tapers
quit complaining or knocking or whinning
you remind me of the guy who told everybody not to buy apple pies from the little widow with 5 children to support
Laurie does not get deposits up front for 12 years wait
she does not let her friend of 30 years get an unlimited amount of cues
she honors her list with very few special exceptions when she has a friend or family
and even then these were factored in
Not everyone will immediately play better with a South West
Dennis may use one for certain reasons only to switch because of playing conditions
I thought he won the first 5 games against Scott
Efren always has more than 1 cue ready
at the galveston tournament ,he kept changing cues against shannon
one of the cues was one he got of mine with a south west shaft
give the gal a break ,can the criticism
don't you ever get tired of being wrong
Doesn't it embarrass you when every statement is coerrected
by somebody who knows better
I didn't knock her cues, I don't begrudge her any of her business. I did not say anything bad at all about her cues. I was simply saying that when the price of an object becomes inflated way beyond that of the actual cost of building it I would not buy into that. By saying that is no dig on her cues I apologize if that offends you.
You sell everything at cost? How that working out for you?
I'm on the list for a cue, about 4 more years to wait. The long list would really be a problem if you didn't have a cue to shoot with while waiting. Like people say, no money down until you get things rolling.
When I say cost that includes a reasonable profit. I am not sure what she charges and I am sure it is fair. But if I was in the market for one of her cues I wouldnt be willing to wait 13+ years so I would be faced with looking at the used market. The prices peope have them listed for is way beyond what I would value them at and is what my comment was directed at. And for most people those are the only cues that would be available.
Actually some dealer of low moral fiber tried it, and he AND the cuemaker he used were butchered like pigs for bacon.. threads on here somewhere...
JV
JV
Hi Matt: I've been asking myself this same questions for years. I simply don't get it and never will. SW cues are well made, no doubt, but not worth the money they cost directly from the manufacturer. Just my two cents. Best regards, Mike