Where are the new Gold Crowns made???

Baby Huey said:
I have twelve GC 3s, two Diamonds and one GC #2 in my room. They all play well but a little differently. Personally I like the way the Diamonds play BUT my GC #2 is the best table for sure. It's 60 plus years old and all the hardware still accepts the original bolts without stripping out. It still has its original Brunswick Superspeed Cushions and plays great. These tables were the best table ever made for my way of thinking. All were made in the USA and hold their value. The sleek futuristic look of the table captures the space age look of the late 1950's and early 1960's. I don't like the design of the aprons and how they are attached but other than that the table is PERFECT. Here is the rub on the Diamonds, you don't really know how they are going to play in 60 years do you? They use a little too much particle board for my way of thinking and you have to glue the cloth on which is OK but that requires expertise which only a few possess. As far as symmetry of the Diamond from room to room, they play very well with their standardized pocket sizing so that road/tournament players adjust easily to the tables. You don't get that with the GC's.
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I'm sure they're all great tables.

I had no idea that Diamonds contained anything less than solid wood, though!

How much would solid wood actually impact their gross margins?

And what's with gluing down the cloth? Is this what the Pro's demand? My new cloth was stretched very tightly, and I can't detect any cloth movement whatsoever.

I think outsourced tables should continue to be just fine, as long as the sweatshops don't attempt to cut corners and try to get away with making a GC lookalike in name only. Aside from slate flatness, it seems pretty straightfoward no matter where they're made.

As an aside, what the heck is BRUNSTONE??? Is it a naturally occuring material, or something made from some sort of slurry? WTF? :shrug:
 
BAM, he shoots he scores! That's setting the record straight. Hey King, does Diamond offer a snooker table? Just wondering. Thanks
 
garczar said:
BAM, he shoots he scores! That's setting the record straight. Hey King, does Diamond offer a snooker table? Just wondering. Thanks
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No, not at this time, but maybe after Diamond officially releases their billiard table line up, I might consider talking to Greg about that, but only as a high end Snooker table only....I'm not impressed with most of the snooker tables built today at all, and I know Diamond could do a hell of a lot better job of designing a better built table.
 
Cool. Maybe they outta just make one and have a partners golf tournament at Derby. That would be quite an event.
 
Baby Huey said:
I have twelve GC 3s, two Diamonds and one GC #2 in my room. They all play well but a little differently. Personally I like the way the Diamonds play BUT my GC #2 is the best table for sure. It's 60 plus years old and all the hardware still accepts the original bolts without stripping out. It still has its original Brunswick Superspeed Cushions and plays great. These tables were the best table ever made for my way of thinking. All were made in the USA and hold their value. The sleek futuristic look of the table captures the space age look of the late 1950's and early 1960's. I don't like the design of the aprons and how they are attached but other than that the table is PERFECT. Here is the rub on the Diamonds, you don't really know how they are going to play in 60 years do you? They use a little too much particle board for my way of thinking and you have to glue the cloth on which is OK but that requires expertise which only a few possess. As far as symmetry of the Diamond from room to room, they play very well with their standardized pocket sizing so that road/tournament players adjust easily to the tables. You don't get that with the GC's.
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I am going to disagree about the GCs - but in a good way... sorta.

The previous Brunswick tables, ie. Anniversary and Centennial, which are both
pretty much the same table in all but appearance, BOTH were more solidly built
and played better. Lots of details I could go into, but for now just the headline news
version. I had about a dozen-and-a-half over the years in poolroom(s).
The Anns and Cens were head and shoulders above the GCs.
IMHO - considerably more classy looking too.

Now let's talk about the Arcade...

Dale
 
pdcue said:
I am going to disagree about the GCs - but in a good way... sorta.

The previous Brunswick tables, ie. Anniversary and Centennial, which are both
pretty much the same table in all but appearance, BOTH were more solidly built
and played better. Lots of details I could go into, but for now just the headline news
version. I had about a dozen-and-a-half over the years in poolroom(s).
The Anns and Cens were head and shoulders above the GCs.
IMHO - considerably more classy looking too.

Now let's talk about the Arcade...

Dale
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Well, my .02 on that matter is that they all used the same slate frame as in they're all interchangeable, so no advantage in that area. The Anniversary and Centennials and GC1S all had the same flaws in way the rails bolted down to the slates, and yes, nut plates held in place with wood screws are weak. They all used solid poplar subrails, so no advantage there. No leg levelers on the Anniversary or Centennials either, had to shim the frame level under the pedestals as well as between the frame....so what made them better? Don't get me started on the Klings...LOL
 
pdcue said:
I am going to disagree about the GCs - but in a good way... sorta.

The previous Brunswick tables, ie. Anniversary and Centennial, which are both
pretty much the same table in all but appearance, BOTH were more solidly built
and played better. Lots of details I could go into, but for now just the headline news
version. I had about a dozen-and-a-half over the years in poolroom(s).
The Anns and Cens were head and shoulders above the GCs.
IMHO - considerably more classy looking too.

Now let's talk about the Arcade...

Dale
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Did I forget to mention that neither the Anniversary or Centennials came with real slate, but Brunstone instead which is a sandstone instead of slate.
 
realkingcobra said:
Did I forget to mention that neither the Anniversary or Centennials came with real slate, but Brunstone instead which is a sandstone instead of slate.
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This from a Brunswick reprint of a period Anniversary sales brochure:

Slate:
A matched set of slate, consisting of three pieces of one inch thick, each piece backed up by a wood frame, is mounted on top of base frame. The slate joints are kept in perfect alignment by means of metal dowels and ferrules. Slate is accurately drilled for rail bolts. Slate is fastened to slate frame by concealed screws. The bottom of slate frame is planed and the top surface of the slate precision ground to obtain a level surface.
 
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That's true! The great-grandson of Mr Hyatt (who invented the formula for Centennial balls) did sell the formula to Andy at Cyclop. This was told to us at the Diamond Factory tour that Greg Sullivan led, last week at the DCC.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

realkingcobra said:
The chemist who formulated the Centennial balls in the first place...is who sold the formula to the Cyclop company...that's my understanding anyway.
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Bob 14:1 said:
This from a Brunswick reprint of a period Anniversary sales brochure:

Slate:
A matched set of slate, consisting of three pieces of one inch thick, each piece backed up by a wood frame, is mounted on top of base frame. The slate joints are kept in perfect alignment by means of metal dowels and ferrules. Slate is accurately drilled for rail bolts. Slate is fastened to slate frame by concealed screws. The bottom of slate frame is planed and the top surface of the slate precision ground to obtain a level surface.
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Except WWll, changed at that when Brunswick did what they could for their part in the war effort. After the end of the war they closed down their Vermont slate mining operation, turning to other mining companies that were producing sandstone at a considerable lessor rate than Brunswick could mine their own slate for. Brunswick still has slates for the 10' and 12' tables, but the newer 9fts were all fitted with Brunstone, and didn't get fitted with real slate again until about 1976 or there about.
 
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