Where are the new Gold Crowns made???

Glen, buddy...... Ship the $50!





Aramith has bettered the ball, the old Hyatt formula is not exact as the Cyclop, Cyclop tried their best to repeat process base which is phenolic, it's like cheap gas.. All pump gas has the same base....there are many grades of phenolic.
The higher the phenolic content of a ball the harder the ball surface is, first off that means more energy can and will be absorbed and transferred upon impact..but that also depends on the exact formula...it's like saying all cloth is equal as long as it's 70/30....
That's all for now... More about pool balls later...



Rob.M




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realkingcobra said:
Now Rob, if you still had the boxes that table came in, some of the boxes would be labeled "made in Brazil" but what most don't understand is that if the "final assembly" is in the USA, then it can still be promoted as made in America. The table you pictured....didn't have one single part made in America.
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Bob 14:1 said:
My neighbor noticed this decal on my table, and a discussion ensued.

After an exhaustive google search, I could not find a definitive answer.

The only mention was a google link back to AZ in which someone said that Brunswick tables have been made in China "for some time now."

Do we have any Brunswick dealers or installers,etc. who might have an authoritative answer?

I'd hate to think that such an esteemed American mark wouldn't at least make their flagship table here in the U.S.A. If this overseas manufacturing is indeed so, do we know when the transition might have taken place?

Just merely curious. Thanks for any input... :D

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I drove to the billiards division of Brunswick in Wisconsin to interview then COO Sean Cummings and EJ Loferski-
Yes, their tables are made in China- special orders for inlay and wood work carving are done elsewhere.
Brunswick does not pay much mind to their billiards division.
they maintain focus on their military contracts, boat MFG and aluminum engines.
I sat in and listened to Brunswick's 3rd quarter meeting and Dustan only mentioned the billiards side for a second.


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Glen, buddy...... Ship the $50!





Aramith has bettered the ball, the old Hyatt formula is not exact as the Cyclop, Cyclop tried their best to repeat process base which is phenolic, it's like cheap gas.. All pump gas has the same base....there are many grades of phenolic.
The higher the phenolic content of a ball the harder the ball surface is, first off that means more energy can and will be absorbed and transferred upon impact..but that also depends on the exact formula...it's like saying all cloth is equal as long as it's 70/30....
That's all for now... More about pool balls later...



Rob.M




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I have some prime land in Louisiana I'll sell you, you're the perfect customer to buy it:thumbup:
 
This was written back in 2012 I think:

"Yalin has received the highest marks internationally, more than any other Asian manufacturer, and was selected by Brunswick Billiards as their sole exclusive partner in China."

I checked the website now and Yalin have removed Brunswick from the list, but they did produce for Brunswick for quite some time.

I have GC IV tables from 2001 in my poolhall and I belive they are made in Brasil. I know the Medalist table were made there. All assembled in USA offcourse:)
 
Chicagoplayer said:
Brunswick does not pay much mind to their billiards division.
they maintain focus on their military contracts, boat MFG and aluminum engines.
I sat in and listened to Brunswick's 3rd quarter meeting and Dustan only mentioned the billiards side for a second.
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This is correct. Billiards is only a very small part of their business. As I recall it accounts for only about 12% of their revenue. For those that are interested there will be a live (or a few minutes time delay) interview with Brunswick's CEO Dustan McCoy tonight on the show "Mad Money" at 6 pm EST on CNBC. The interview should last for about 6 or 7 minutes and the CEO should be discussing the business and what all they do, their financial and market outlooks, etc.
 
realkingcobra said:
Now Rob, if you still had the boxes that table came in, some of the boxes would be labeled "made in Brazil" but what most don't understand is that if the "final assembly" is in the USA, then it can still be promoted as made in America. The table you pictured....didn't have one single part made in America.
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Not true. A certain percentage of the product must be sourced in the USA before it can carry the label.
 
dontlitethat said:
Glen, buddy...... Ship the $50!





Aramith has bettered the ball, the old Hyatt formula is not exact as the Cyclop, Cyclop tried their best to repeat process base which is phenolic, it's like cheap gas.. All pump gas has the same base....there are many grades of phenolic.
The higher the phenolic content of a ball the harder the ball surface is, first off that means more energy can and will be absorbed and transferred upon impact..but that also depends on the exact formula...it's like saying all cloth is equal as long as it's 70/30....
That's all for now... More about pool balls later...



Rob.M




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Okay, question for you Rob, where in America does Brunswick have those parts made?
 
From what I understand Brunswick has decided to drop their pool table line entirely. Maybe they will sell the name off, as it may still have some value.
 
It is illegal to lie about the country of origin on a product. I doubt Brunswick would have done that.

As someone who has been involved with moving production of injection molded parts from the U.S. to China, I can tell you that the tools are rarely moved. It's cheaper to just build new tools in China. (Tools in this context means the huge blocks of steel that mold the plastic and die cast the zinc/aluminum).

If a part on a GC says made in USA, I'm buying that. Now obviously that doesn't mean the whole table was made in the US.
 
Bob 14:1 said:
My neighbor noticed this decal on my table, and a discussion ensued.

After an exhaustive google search, I could not find a definitive answer.

The only mention was a google link back to AZ in which someone said that Brunswick tables have been made in China "for some time now."

Do we have any Brunswick dealers or installers,etc. who might have an authoritative answer?

I'd hate to think that such an esteemed American mark wouldn't at least make their flagship table here in the U.S.A. If this overseas manufacturing is indeed so, do we know when the transition might have taken place?

Just merely curious. Thanks for any input... :D]
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Brunswick changed its name from "Brunswick-Balke-Collender" to just " Brunswick Corp." in 1960. At the time the Anniversary model was made, they were indeed produced in the u.s. entirely. Not anymore.
 
I was told by a long-time table mechanic that the GC's have been subbed-out since the 3's. Frames were made in Brazil i believe but not sure about rest of table. Wherever it's made i still think a well set-up GC-4 is tough to beat.
 
Global Corporate Integration over the years...

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Correct me if I am wrong, but at one point wasn't part of the Gold Crown made at the Brunswick factory in French Lick, Indiana? Hometown of Larry Bird.

r/Mike
 
realkingcobra said:
... How do you start out with Brunswick Centennial balls being produced with 86% phenolic resins, and reduce that over the years to 56% phenolic resin, then up the price and still call them Brunswick Centennial balls? ...
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According to Ivan Lee, Aramith balls are over 98% phenolic resin. My understanding is that Centennials, also made by Saluc, are made of the same resin as Super Aramith Pros.

http://www.azbilliards.com/news/sto...c-balls-for-billiards-pool-and-all-cuesports/
 
AtLarge said:
According to Ivan Lee, Aramith balls are over 98% phenolic resin. My understanding is that Centennials, also made by Saluc, are made of the same resin as Super Aramith Pros.

http://www.azbilliards.com/news/sto...c-balls-for-billiards-pool-and-all-cuesports/
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Then you have to ask yourself, why do the super Aramith pro balls loose their shin when the Centennial balls don't, as well as the Aramith tournament balls? Talk to Greg Sullivan, he might just disagree with the above statement;)
 
I have twelve GC 3s, two Diamonds and one GC #2 in my room. They all play well but a little differently. Personally I like the way the Diamonds play BUT my GC #2 is the best table for sure. It's 60 plus years old and all the hardware still accepts the original bolts without stripping out. It still has its original Brunswick Superspeed Cushions and plays great. These tables were the best table ever made for my way of thinking. All were made in the USA and hold their value. The sleek futuristic look of the table captures the space age look of the late 1950's and early 1960's. I don't like the design of the aprons and how they are attached but other than that the table is PERFECT. Here is the rub on the Diamonds, you don't really know how they are going to play in 60 years do you? They use a little too much particle board for my way of thinking and you have to glue the cloth on which is OK but that requires expertise which only a few possess. As far as symmetry of the Diamond from room to room, they play very well with their standardized pocket sizing so that road/tournament players adjust easily to the tables. You don't get that with the GC's.
 
Baby Huey said:
I have twelve GC 3s, two Diamonds and one GC #2 in my room. They all play well but a little differently. Personally I like the way the Diamonds play BUT my GC #2 is the best table for sure. It's 60 plus years old and all the hardware still accepts the original bolts without stripping out. It still has its original Brunswick Superspeed Cushions and plays great. These tables were the best table ever made for my way of thinking. All were made in the USA and hold their value. The sleek futuristic look of the table captures the space age look of the late 1950's and early 1960's. I don't like the design of the aprons and how they are attached but other than that the table is PERFECT. Here is the rub on the Diamonds, you don't really know how they are going to play in 60 years do you? They use a little too much particle board for my way of thinking and you have to glue the cloth on which is OK but that requires expertise which only a few possess. As far as symmetry of the Diamond from room to room, they play very well with their standardized pocket sizing so that road/tournament players adjust easily to the tables. You don't get that with the GC's.
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First of all, let me correct you on a few points. 1) there is no particle board used in any Diamond pool table. 2) GC 2 came out in 1972, so the oldest one would be only 43 years old today, and not eve the GC1S that came out in 1961 are 60 years old yet, only 54 years old this year. As far as the GC2s' holding their value, I know someone picking up 16 of them right now for $5,000 total price, that works out to only $312.50 each...try finding any Diamond 9ft used for under $2,000. As far as how long a Diamond will last....as long as any GC ever has, and then some because the Dymondwood wood don't age like a laminated rail does. And another difference between the tables, Diamonds don't have a wooden backing that'll eventually have to be replaced from being stapled out from replacing the bed cloth so many times, as the newer GC4s' and 5's were switched to particle board slate liners instead of using poplar wood....there's where you can find particle board...in a Brunswick:D....not a Diamond;)
 
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