Where can I get a copy of the old school rules?

[Saturated Fats]

I learned to play 8B and 9B before BIH for every foul was adopted. Is there maybe an online resource for the older rules - say circa 1970 or so?

It has been so long since I played that way that I don't know what I may have forgotten.

 

[mortuarymike-nv]

there was no rule book

We just made the rules up as we went.
Why you want to play for money old school rules.

We are the reason why you young guys have to put up with all these rules , we broke them all , dammit

In less you have the secret hand shake you are just S O L TOO BAD SO SAD:ignore:

There are allot of different old school rules, might be hundred different 8 ball rules.

MMike

 

[Cornerman]

I learned to play 8B and 9B before BIH for every foul was adopted. Is there maybe an online resource for the older rules - say circa 1970 or so?

It has been so long since I played that way that I don't know what I may have forgotten.

The BCA used to have old rulebooks in stock. I have one from ... 1970 or so that don't have full-table ball in hand except for the optional 2-shot roll out.

Freddie <~~~ now needs to find them

 

[Bob Jewett]

The BCA used to have old rulebooks in stock. I have one from ... 1970 or so that don't have full-table ball in hand except for the optional 2-shot roll out.

Freddie <~~~ now needs to find them

I think the BCA rule book tended not to have very good/clear rules for nine ball back when they didn't sanction any nine ball tournaments. I'll try to remember to look and see what they had.
Bob <~~~ who knows exactly where his rule books and duplicate rule books and triplicate rule books are

 

[Saturated Fats]

So what should I expect for nothin?

So one of you may not be able to find the rules and the other may not remember to. Oh well, at least you both have good intentions.

 

[Tramp Steamer]

Sorry, Fats, the old school burnt to the ground several years ago. All that's left is a vacant lot and a bus stop with two hearts upon a wall.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqAh1dQu_pg

 

[Bob Jewett]

So one of you may not be able to find the rules and the other may not remember to. Oh well, at least you both have good intentions.

I did remember to fetch the rules. Here you go....



For the BCA rule book...
1965 -- no rules for 9B ...
1968 -- one page of rules. Primary way was that you had to shoot to hit. I've seen money matches like this. An optional "shoot out" rule is present but it is really badly written and incomplete.
1967, 1970, 1971, 1974, 1977, 1978, all the same as 1968.
1980 -- major revision that pretty much makes sense:


I don't think I ever saw the "three for loss of game" in action but I suppose it is required for when the ball can't be hit.

1982 -- small modification -- if the lowest ball is in the kitchen with a kitchen BIH, it is spotted rather than put down.

1985 -- major revision to be mostly like current rules. Nothing spots and all fouls are ball-in-hand anywhere. Also, the game is call shot. If you call safe your opponent can have you shoot again, but if you just happen to "miss" your called ball, he has to shoot. That is to say, they made "safes" totally goofy.

1986 -- the call shot rule was repaired.

1988 -- no change

1990 -- the call shot game and the professional rules game are both included. The "pro" rules were copied from the PBA (men's pro tour) without any acknowledgement of previous copyright.

 

[evanlockhart]

I think you're asking a question that has no answer.

Kind of like when people say they want to play "Straight 8," That makes me :grin: every time.

 

[Cornerman]

So one of you may not be able to find the rules and the other may not remember to. Oh well, at least you both have good intentions.

LOL! I used to have all my rule books in one spot. Then I moved down to FL and I have no idea where that spot is!

Freddie <~~~ might look ... now

P.s., found them. And 1977 is the earliest I have. I'll scan and send to Bob and Dave to see if they want to upload if its even legal. Else, I'll PM you.

P.p.s. just saw Bob's post.

 

[MoonshineMattK]

Can't seem to find my copy at the moment but I remember Ray Martin's book - 99 Critical Shots - having a rules section in the back for 9 ball, 8 ball, Straight Pool, and many many other games I hadn't heard of. I think they were the old style rules.

 

[Saturated Fats]

I think you're asking a question that has no answer.

Kind of like when people say they want to play "Straight 8," That makes me :grin: every time.

The more I think about it, the more I think you are right.

 

[Saturated Fats]

Thanks to Bob Jewett

Bob,

Thanks for finding, copying, and posting what you found. I never heard of the three foul rule mentioned, but still interesting.

I didn't quite understand the second paragraph reference to "not already covered by an award of cue ball in hand", but that's probably because this is an excerpt.

 

[Saturated Fats]

I've got that book!

Can't seem to find my copy at the moment but I remember Ray Martin's book - 99 Critical Shots - having a rules section in the back for 9 ball, 8 ball, Straight Pool, and many many other games I hadn't heard of. I think they were the old style rules.

I didn't realize that this book had rules in it. I'll check it out. Thanks.

 

[Bob Jewett]

I learned to play 8B and 9B before BIH for every foul was adopted. Is there maybe an online resource for the older rules - say circa 1970 or so?

It has been so long since I played that way that I don't know what I may have forgotten.

Here's a set that might be like you used before. Only differences from current rules are listed.

BIH is behind the line except as stated below.
After any foul, the fouler can be asked to shoot again and there is no other penalty for a first foul.
After a second consecutive foul shot on any player, the incoming player may take BIH anywhere or ask the fouler to shoot again.
A third consecutive foul is loss of game.
Consecutive fouls are counted for both players, so if your opponent fouls, and you have him shoot again, and he fouls and you take ball in hand for a good shot but then you scratch on that shot, that is three consecutive fouls and you lose the game.
Everything spots.

Are those about the rules that you remember?

 

[Pushout]

Bob,

Thanks for finding, copying, and posting what you found. I never heard of the three foul rule mentioned, but still interesting.

I didn't quite understand the second paragraph reference to "not already covered by an award of cue ball in hand", but that's probably because this is an excerpt.

I never heard of the "three fouls loss of game" until the game went to Texas Express rules. Where I played it was any two fouls gave ball in hand, not two on the same player. This varied, depending on where you played. Only way I heard that rule was in One Pocket and only when playing for money.

 

[mortuarymike-nv]

three foul loss of game

I never heard of the "three fouls loss of game" until the game went to Texas Express rules. Where I played it was any two fouls gave ball in hand, not two on the same player. This varied, depending on where you played. Only way I heard that rule was in One Pocket and only when playing for money.

That was all I played for years. It was really bad to do any kind of foul.
I just thought is was part of the bca rules.

Now everyone I talk to has never heard of that rule.

MMike

 

[Saturated Fats]

Here's a set that might be like you used before. Only differences from current rules are listed.

BIH is behind the line except as stated below.
After any foul, the fouler can be asked to shoot again and there is no other penalty for a first foul.
After a second consecutive foul shot on any player, the incoming player may take BIH anywhere or ask the fouler to shoot again.
A third consecutive foul is loss of game.
Consecutive fouls are counted for both players, so if your opponent fouls, and you have him shoot again, and he fouls and you take ball in hand for a good shot but then you scratch on that shot, that is three consecutive fouls and you lose the game.
Everything spots.

Are those about the rules that you remember?

BIH is behind the line except as stated below. Yes.

After any foul, the fouler can be asked to shoot again and there is no other penalty for a first foul. Yes.

After a second consecutive foul shot on any player, the incoming player may take BIH anywhere or ask the fouler to shoot again. Yes.

A third consecutive foul is loss of game. No.

Consecutive fouls are counted for both players, so if your opponent fouls, and you have him shoot again, and he fouls and you take ball in hand for a good shot but then you scratch on that shot, that is three consecutive fouls and you lose the game. This seems strange. Wouldn't this also mean that my opponent would not have two consecutive fouls on two consecutive turns if I played a good safe between his two turns?

Everything spots. Varied from time to time and from place to place.

 

[Bob Jewett]

BIH is behind the line except as stated below. Yes.

After any foul, the fouler can be asked to shoot again and there is no other penalty for a first foul. Yes.

After a second consecutive foul shot on any player, the incoming player may take BIH anywhere or ask the fouler to shoot again. Yes.

A third consecutive foul is loss of game. No.

Consecutive fouls are counted for both players, so if your opponent fouls, and you have him shoot again, and he fouls and you take ball in hand for a good shot but then you scratch on that shot, that is three consecutive fouls and you lose the game. This seems strange. Wouldn't this also mean that my opponent would not have two consecutive fouls on two consecutive turns if I played a good safe between his two turns?

Everything spots. Varied from time to time and from place to place.

I had not heard of the three foul rule before reading the rule book, but I think it's needed to avoid stalemate situations. You need either 3 foul or stalemate.

I always saw "push out" played as any two consecutive fouls for ball in hand. You push out to a very marginal hit and your opponent might take it and not get the hit and you get ball in hand. Also, you have to be careful not to scratch if you take the shot after your opponent has pushed. Any good hit ended the sequence.

 

[Bob Jewett]

I had not heard of the three foul rule before reading the rule book, but I think it's needed to avoid stalemate situations. You need either 3 foul or stalemate.

I always saw "push out" played as any two consecutive fouls for ball in hand. You push out to a very marginal hit and your opponent might take it and not get the hit and you get ball in hand. Also, you have to be careful not to scratch if you take the shot after your opponent has pushed. Any good hit ended the sequence.

I just thought of a common situation where you want a three foul rule. Your opponent misses the ball. You ask him to shoot again. He rolls a ball up softly onto the lowest ball making it impossible to hit. Your best option is to have him shoot again. What happens for his third foul?

As I said before, I don't recall this from the 1960s when I saw these rules in play, but three fouls really seems to be needed and maybe it was part of the normal rules.

 

[Mr. Bond]

Here's a really old school rule that you might recognize:




Believe it or not, this rule ^ was published 196 years ago.




Mr. Bond <~~~~~~ Thought it looked fun