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The funny thing about this business with Lou and S.M. is that when he was bragging that no one would dare play him there, he inadvertently trapped himself in a lie. He had the bad luck to have been spotted ducking on the back tables by me and Wayne. Then, in hopes of trying to distract from his first lie, Lou made up another lie accusing Wayne of not giving fair games, not realizing that Wayne is one of the very few guys well known for giving up too much weight. As Grady used to say: "now that is bad luck my friend."

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Ouch. I know it happens, I just didn't think it happens to other people!

Back in maybe '85, I was going down the carpeted stairs at home. Well, I was just being lazy and a kid, so I just kinda slid my feet from one step to the next. On one step, I didn't flip my foot forward fast enough and landed with all of my weight on my big toenail. The only thing I could think of was the Valdeez as the blood began to rush forth like nothing I've ever seen. I had to have a hole drilled into my toenail to release the pressure. It was pretty weird to watch it grow out.

I recently bought a beginner's good knife($50 or so). Already nicked myself with it the other night and it was just lying on the cutting board. I should probably get Aflac. They wouldn't know what hit 'em.


ouch. ouch. ouch.

Be careful with the knife.

Lou Figueroa
 
Now I understand why Lou is a top PR person. All of his sources are anonymous.

Quotes from Lou "I got plenty of intell from other guys in LA" "Guys are reading this thread and pming and emailing me" "everyone in LA knows Wayne is a lock artist and will never give a fair game. Don't play him."

When I challenged him to name just one instance (from all of his intell, pm's, emails and what everyone in LA knows) where I played a game that was a lock for me, suddenly all of his imaginary sources can not come up with a single example.

The fact that he can make up outrageous lies to try to knock someone, and assign it to his anonymous sources, tells a lot about this person.

Wayne


We have no basis for a civilized discussion if you call everything I say is a lie:

Quote Wayne
"You are still lying although you are changing your lies so they are not as blatant as the previous ones. Slight improvement. Wayne"

I lived in Washington, DC for six years, working with the national press corps on a daily basis. And if you don't think anonymous sources (who, BTW, are guys you know and whom I would *never* give up) can't be legit, you are truly living in LA LA Land. Anonymous sources are a valid source of information and can bring down presidents. Always have, always will.

It's too bad your ego is so vast and so pathetic that you can't entertain someone thinking you're a lock artist or will not give up a fair game. Maybe you're just not as much fun as you think you are, Wayne ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 
Don't you guys understand the simple laws of communication. Anything that is reported to have come from anonymous sources or sources which cannot be named is presumed to be valid. That's how it works in the PR world dontcha know.

It goes like this, make an accusation that you claim is based on something someone told you, sit back and watch the action unfold while the accused has to jump though hoops defending AGAINST that accusation.

In today's world a man is presumed GUILTY until proven innocent. Make a statement based on "anonymous" sources and you can't ever be held accountable for those statements....everyone knows you can't out your "source" under any circumstances.


Do you have any idea how many times I had to answer a question that started off with, "My sources tell me..."

You don't answer that question by going, "Neener, neener, I'm not going to answer because you're using anonymous sources." Nor do you refuse to respond, threatening," I won't answer until you tell me who your sources are." You deal with the issue, or dismiss them, but you don't say the person with the anonymous sources is lying.

Lou Figueroa
 
We have no basis for a civilized discussion if you call everything I say is a lie:

Quote Wayne
"You are still lying although you are changing your lies so they are not as blatant as the previous ones. Slight improvement. Wayne"

I lived in Washington, DC for six years, working with the national press corps on a daily basis. And if you don't think anonymous sources (who, BTW, are guys you know and whom I would *never* give up) can't be legit, you are truly living in LA LA Land. Anonymous sources are a valid source of information and can bring down presidents. Always have, always will.

It's too bad your ego is so vast and so pathetic that you can't entertain someone thinking you're a lock artist or will not give up a fair game. Maybe you're just not as much fun as you think you are, Wayne ;-)

Lou Figueroa

Earth to Lou, you are not bringing down any presidents with your imaginary anonymous sources. Still waiting for a single example of me trying to get a game where I was a lock. It is too bad your ego will not let you admit that you told a whopper and then you tried to cover it up by assigning it to your imaginary sources.

I know you were lying, you know you were lying, people who know me know you were lying, people reading this thread know you were lying. Even your imaginary sources are probably pming and emailing and calling you telling you that you are lying.
Wayne
 
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I would have probably said, "Tails."

Lou Figueroa

Man, from the looks of that picture, Lou could prob spot Wayne. Professional pool photos while playing in the US Open 1-Hole, while wearing the US OPEN shirt as well.

Lou is saving the picture of him playing Efren for when this discussion gets REALLY outta hand.
 
Earth to Lou, you are not bringing down any presidents with your imaginary anonymous sources. Still waiting for a single example of me trying to get a game where I was a lock. It is too bad your ego will not let you admit that you told a whopper and then you tried to cover it up by assigning it to your imaginary sources.

I know you were lying, you know you were lying, people who know me know you were lying, people reading this thread know you were lying. Even your imaginary sources are probably pming and emailing and calling you telling you that you are lying.
Wayne


(yawn) You have said everything I say is a lie.

And then you denied saying that, when it's what you had just written a few posts before. We have no basis for a civilized discussion. So here's something to get you started...

Lou Figueroa
 

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Post # 295. Wow.

Funny thing is, if ya'll just got on a table together (I know, I know), you might be brothers in arms. I think some of us are better people with a cue than a keyboard at times. This to me, is beyond petty and no one is gaining. JMO. I just hate to see this animosity.

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LMAO.

Wise words. I offered to let this go several times further back but the LA contingent loves it and cannot stop themselves.

Lou Figueroa
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Sorry, Wayne but you need to continue to work on that extrapolation thing we talked about. I'm not looking up anything on you. Guys are reading this thread and PMing and emailing me. What they are saying would not give you "a warm fuzzy feeling."

Lou Figueroa


^^^^^ The infamous "I spoke to someone, who I won't name, who said _____ which proves my point on _____" maneuver.

I hope you do write a book - but it should be called "How to Get Asked (or DEMANDED) Outside"
 
Lou, we just can't help ourselves the thought of you swaggering into pools halls coast to coast holding all the shortstops in thrall with your $10.00-$40.00 bets is hard to live up to.
 
You're all free to come up to Portland and get some $10 action. I won't even ask for any more than 10-6. :o
 
Post # 295. Wow.

Funny thing is, if ya'll just got on a table together (I know, I know), you might be brothers in arms. I think some of us are better people with a cue than a keyboard at times. This to me, is beyond petty and no one is gaining. JMO. I just hate to see this animosity.

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Its petty unless it happens to you. No one comes into our neighborhood, our room, with our friends, our players and denigrates them without response. I gave you a list of rooms in LA you would not dare to do it to. Koreatown, East LA , etc. What makes you think we are less relentless. That is why we get respect in LA. We welcome you wholeheartedly. We work to build a good rep and when someone makes specious and spurious (read lies) about you Its not petty.

Claims especially made safely behind a laptop. Come into our room and say that to our face and see what happens. Say we are "scared to death to play". Say we "want to make a call and send in Richie or Wayne but no one else will play". Then tell lies about our guys. See what kind of balls you got then. At least Pilot guy had the guts and amiability to apologize and try to get along with us. (Post#30 "Im sorry for bashing your room.") He at least manned up.

Scores of real players and champions have come into our room from all over the world and gotten games. We work really hard to make this a place welcoming for everyone from beginner to expert. When some little termite comes in to destroy that we call in the exterminators. It aint petty. Its our house.

Kool Kat I understand what you say. There is no need for animosity. But there is only one way to deal with Bullies and Liars. And that is to expose themselves to who they are. Even if they refuse to see it themselves.
 
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Its petty unless it happens to you. No one comes into our neighborhood, our room, with our friends, our players and denigrates them without response. I gave you a list of rooms in LA you would not dare to do it to. Koreatown, East LA , etc. What makes you think we are less relentless. That is why we get respect in LA. We welcome you wholeheartedly. We work to build a good rep and when someone makes specious and spurious (read lies) about you Its not petty.

Claims especially made safely behind a laptop. Come into our room and say that to our face and see what happens. Say we are "scared to death to play". Say we "want to make a call and send in Richie or Wayne but no one else will play". Then tell lies about our guys. See what kind of balls you got then. At least Pilot guy had the guts and amiability to apologize and try to get along with us. (Post#30 "Im sorry for bashing your room.") He at least manned up.

Scores of real players and champions have come into our room from all over the world and gotten games. We work really hard to make this a place welcoming for everyone from beginner to expert. When some little termite comes in to destroy that we call in the exterminators. It aint petty. Its our house.

Kool Kat I understand what you say. There is no need for animosity. But there is only one way to deal with Bullies and Liars. And that is to expose themselves to who they are. Even if they refuse to see it themselves.


I have never said anyone was scared.

What I said was that I had been to SM approximately 20 times and not gotten a game. I said I did not get played. I did not say I couldn't get played, but that I did not get a pick up game.

Lou Figueroa
 
^^^^^ The infamous "I spoke to someone, who I won't name, who said _____ which proves my point on _____" maneuver.

I hope you do write a book - but it should be called "How to Get Asked (or DEMANDED) Outside"

Hey Spider. People who write books don't talk about writing them or how good they write. They just write them.
 
I would like to clear up a few points.

1. I was the one that said everyone was scared to death. This was an Exaggeration and only half true. But It has its bases of truth.

2. HOB is one of the finest rooms in the country and I understand everyone defending the room.

3. I have played Lou several times and he is a stand up, honest guy and a Gentlemen to play. Sure he has his Opinions as we all do. Practicing on the back table must me some form ducking.

4. Wayne, next time I'm in town I'll let you know ahead of time. You were in action one of the times I was there.

Jim
 
(yawn) You have said everything I say is a lie.

And then you denied saying that, when it's what you had just written a few posts before. We have no basis for a civilized discussion. So here's something to get you started...

Lou Figueroa

I never said you lied about everything. I was very specific. You lied about me being a lock artist. You lied about Santa Monica Billiards. You lied about your numerous intell, text messages, pms and friends who said I was a lock artist. So you told a number of whoppers and assigned it to your imaginary friends. Wayne
 
I never said you lied about everything. Wayne


Now, Wayne, you need to stop lying about that:

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Originally Posted by lfigueroa
I have not gotten a pick up game at SM in all the times I have visited.

Others have had similar experiences.

Friends have told me you won't give up a fair game.

All of the above are true statements. If you don't like them or don't believe them, go pound sand, because I could not possibly care less :-)

Lou Figueroa

Quote Wayne
"You are still lying although you are changing your lies so they are not as blatant as the previous ones. Slight improvement. Wayne"


Lou Figueroa
 
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I would like to clear up a few points.

1. I was the one that said everyone was scared to death. This was an Exaggeration and only half true. But It has its bases of truth.

2. HOB is one of the finest rooms in the country and I understand everyone defending the room.

3. I have played Lou several times and he is a stand up, honest guy and a Gentlemen to play. Sure he has his Opinions as we all do. Practicing on the back table must me some form ducking.

4. Wayne, next time I'm in town I'll let you know ahead of time. You were in action one of the times I was there.

Jim

Thanks Jim I believe I remember you and I liked your game. I know someone may have overrated your game which may have caused some problems. I am glad your experience with Lou led you to believe he is a stand up honest guy.

Just out of curiosity do you think he was being honest with his quote "Everyone in Los Angeles knows Wayne is a lock artist. Don't play him" and the fact he got this from numerous sources but has not been able to identify a single one or give a single example of where I tried to get a lock.

You know what this can do when someone gives you the reputation of trying to get an unfair game, do you think that was Lou's intent when he made up this lie?

Is it ok to be a knocker and tell lies like he did? Am I wrong to be offended by his lies?

Wayne
 
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