Where Will Next Years BCA be Held? Riviera Going Bankrupt!

YouKnow662...ALL of the major tournaments (BCAPL, VNEA, ACS & APA) have solid contracts for at least 2010. Some have them farther out. The Riviera is not going to close...most certainly not in time to threaten any of next year's events.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

http://www.globest.com/news/1535_1535/lasvegas/182127-1.html

Looks like the Riviera Hotel & Casino isn't doing too well, they might have to claim Chapter 11 in March. Any ideas of where the BCA tourney will be held if this happens? :confused:
 
YouKnow662...ALL of the major tournaments (BCAPL, VNEA, ACS & APA) have solid contracts for at least 2010. Some have them farther out. The Riviera is not going to close...most certainly not in time to threaten any of next year's events.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Not is a word I would not use if then can not recover in , and from Chapter 11 they are gone.
 
YouKnow662...ALL of the major tournaments (BCAPL, VNEA, ACS & APA) have solid contracts for at least 2010. Some have them farther out. The Riviera is not going to close...most certainly not in time to threaten any of next year's events.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com


Dont be too sure thay will be open, I'd say there is a 70% and dropping changce they will remain open. All casino's are losing huge $$$. Hooters will be closing thats almost certain. Next up on the chopping block is the Riv.
 
The Riv is crap. They've been needing to move it for years now. No ones goes the that casino anymore.
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I don't really see the point of a gambling capital.. let sin city die :P Casinos everywhere to take over. I know it is showing our economic situation, but as gambling is not a high priority for anyone its the first thing to die in my opinion.. and I won't miss it
 
MANDALAY BAY ZOMG!!!!!

Seriously though, I love that casino and take the ungodly hike there every year and guess what, the place is DEAD, the convention facility is empty and the casino floor is a ghost town.

I think if the BCA was to go there and chat with the right people they might be able to get a pretty good room rate deal and a very nice section of the convention facility (the Mandalay Bay convention facility is freaking massive, the BCA would only need a small piece).

The last thing they want to do is go farther away from the central part of the strip, the Sahara is absolute crap and will be joining the Riviera shortly, the Stratosphere sucks even worse and is practically in the slums.

The central part of the strip like the Mirage, Treasure Island, places like that are nice but they are also packed and I cannot see a good deal being had or the ability to get 6000 players into the surrounding hotels cheap, places close by cost a fortune.

The Monte Carlo was pretty crappy when I went there, I don't know if they have a convention facility but their casino floor was empty of people and dirty too boot.

You cannot get convention space in any Bally's properties I am guessing due to the WSOP so they are out.

So you are getting pushed towards the Tropicana end of the strip. MGM Grand would have a convention facility, not sure how full it is at that time or the room rates.

The Excaliber actually seems pretty busy at that time so I am not sure they would be interested in swinging deals.

The Luxor is totally dead, that place could use the people, not sure on a convention facility but they have a walk through to Mandalay Bay so the Luxor being owned by the same people could handle more rooms for the players at a decent rate.

Mandalay Bay is also dead and could use the people. They have one of the largest concention facilities in the whole city and it is very nice. They have a ton of restaurants, they have a unreal pool area, and a very nice casino. They really need people at that time, I would think they are the best bet, it is win/win. It is also possible to tram to Excaliber and get to the central part of the strip fairly quickly and easily from Mandalay Bay. It would be my first choice.
 
Sin City is hurting big time as no one has any MONEY.

Some companies are seeing rebounds. Las Vegas Sands is starting to make money again, MGM Mirage is seeing improvements, Wynn is doing OK. Even if Las Vegas itself is not raking it in atm as long as you have properties in Macau you are golden, that place is starting to see huge rebounds and Macau dwarfs Vegas in gambling revenues.

Place like the Venetian in Vegas are making money, the problem a place like the Riviera has is that the place flat out sucks and people going to Vegas don't want a $3.99 breakfast buffet of crap anymore. And even if they did there is not enough profit margin in selling those to make it worth the land value alone, Strip land is worth tens of millions of dollars per acre even in the area of the Riv.

I don't think the Bellagio, Mirage, Venetian, Mandalay Bay, MGM Grand, Ceasars, Rio and places like that are going anywhere. But places like Monte Carlo, Circus Circus, The Riv, Sahara, Tropicana, The Luxor, Planet Hollywood, and the older places like those that had a lower end to begin with when they were built have their days numbered. The land the Tropicana is on is worth a litteral gigaton of money, so is Planet Hollywood and the Monte Carlo. Circus Circus and the Riv might end up being condo's. That end of the strip is dying and I think it is becoming clear that Vegas is more likely to support a smaller number of high end mega-resorts rather then a bunch of lower end mini-resorts, the smaller less fancy ones cannot compete. Even if someone stays at the Riv they go eat and party and gamble at the better places. Eventually places like the Bellagio, Wynn/Encore, Ceasars and Venetian will be the standard, there will be 10-15 mega-resorts like that on the strip and the little ones not on that level will slowly be replaced.
 
Dont be too sure thay will be open, I'd say there is a 70% and dropping changce they will remain open. All casino's are losing huge $$$. Hooters will be closing thats almost certain. Next up on the chopping block is the Riv.

I hate to see the Riviera close since it was the first casino I stayed at on my first trip to LV. I had some good times there and I don't think there's another place that can handle large pool tournaments like the Riviera.

The competition in LV is fierce and the Riviera is an older casino battling the the mega buck new Casinos.

James
 
I don't think there's another place that can handle large pool tournaments like the Riviera.

There are some gigantic convention centers inside alot of the casinos on the strip that litterly dwarf the Riviera. Mandalay Bay has 1,000,000 square feet of exhibit space.

http://www.mandalaybay.com/Conventions/maps.aspx

The place is huge, the entire BCA would hardly make a dent.

http://www.mandalaybay.com/conventions/meetingspaces.aspx

Click on 3-D tour, the whole entire tournament could take place inside one single room.
 
The best case would be to move the tournament down to the old strip! Lots of cheap rooms, cheaper for the players, which would probably bring more players.
 
The BAY FTW!!!!! I love the Mandalay Bay and im sure they could do a special room discount to all the players.

Vegas is hurting so bad that their giving crazy deals. I lived there for two years and it was crumbling when i left 2 years ago. Casinos will do anything to get people playing.

Do you know how much it cost to feed the shark in the reef everyday?? :lol:
 
The Riv is crap. They've been needing to move it for years now. No ones goes the that casino anymore.
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I agree the Rivieria, and Circus Circus across the street, are both CRAP. The room are Crap, and honestly I always stay COMPED at the Rio in a Nice Suite.:wink:
 
The thing I could never understand is the BCA and the VNEA have so much bargaining power.
To fill a hotel and casino for a month is nothing to take lightly.I'm sure you could have some SAY in what the hotel rates are and such if your filling the place for a month.
Get out of the Riv,its a dump.
 
The Riv is crap. They've been needing to move it for years now. No ones goes the that casino anymore.
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JCIN made a post in a thread not too long ago and when I went to find it, I saw that you posted after him so I'm guessing you saw it. Either way, I think it bears repeating and since the Riv isn't crawling with rodents, still has decent rooms to sleep in, and is willing to put up with pool players for the whole summer, people shouldn't get so bent out of shape. If things ever do change and another casino agrees to take on the pool leagues and charges double & triple what you're paying now, everyone will complain about that too. Then all of the sudden everyone will be a fan of the Riv and all of the sudden miss it. :rolleyes:

So what happens when you leave the Riv for the MGM (You are not gonna get $79 a night rooms at the MGM for a three year deal anyway) and when your contract is up the MGM decides you need to pay $199?

There is a lot more that goes into those events at the Riv than the room rate. Go try to do something at a union hotel besides the Riv in Vegas and see what those labor, set up and convention services fees add up to.

There was some talks with another strip hotel recently. They ran the numbers and decided it did not make sense. Vegas is a bodies game. Bodies in the host hotel not in the cheapest rooms at the Sahara or Motel 6. So what if you have it at the MGM for the same $89 as the Riv when you can get rooms for $25 elsewhere? Many players will choose to stay at the cheapest place which I can understand but doesn't help when you are trying to make deals with hotels.

Plus the pool events are usually 7-10 days. That is a big block of time for a Vegas hotel to tie up the required space for an event that size. There is a lot more to it than room rates and who has the nicer joint. Mosconi cup is one small ballroom and and a long weekend. Not to mention what they spend on the labor to set up their lighting and electrical. I talked to one of the lighting techs two years ago and he mentioned $80,000 for the light rig alone without the hotel electrical.

What do you think it would cost to hang a couple hundred pool table lights at union wages and then take them down? That is just one of the things the Riv helps out with that people never see. Yes, the hotel hangs the lights and does all the electrical. That pesky insurance thing. A hotel can gut you on convention services and it is rare to get a deal where everything works out. Hence why things are still at the Riv.

Want to have a weekend conference for a couple hundred in Vegas? You can get smoking deals now. Want to lock up long term contracts using up a ton of space for 10 days? Tougher sell.

Don't like the Riv, don't stay there. Don't want to stay off site and go back & forth then don't do the league thing in Vegas.
 
I always hear people saying the tournaments should move away from Vegas to other cities, but the problem is finding other convention facilities that are large enough for the tournament with enough rooms at the facility or very, very close to support the size of the national pool tournaments. I don't know where the pool tournaments rank on the list of "desirable" conventions, but I would guess they are not too high once you take gambling out of the picture. The most desirable conventions probably feature women who like to shop while they are not conventioning and families who spend a lot of money on vacationing whereever the convention is being held. Pool players who crowd whole teams into one room and sleep while not playing probably don't get very high on the list.
 
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