Where's Cocobolo Cowboy?

Fatboy

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Modern day legal documents can be extraordinarily difficult to read and understand, with an abundance of legalese that is designed to cover any contingency. Some (most) read like a brain twister.

I wrote some of my own agreements when I produced events in casinos. The funny thing was that the marketing people I was working with would often complement me on my “lawyer.”
I’ve had so many people ask me if I’m a lawyer over the years. Until they see what I look like😂. I can read any law/contract and need no help from any lawyer to understand it.

I never take biz advice from a lawyer-that’s only 2nd worse than suicide.

I tell my lawyers what I need, they are the word smiths and I have them draft the letters or responses and then I proof read them to see if the spirit of the language is going in the direction I like. This is 80% of the time.

20% of the time +/- I’ll follow the advice of my lawyer(s) and go the direction they want after I do my homework on their suggestion. When I was younger, more often as I wasn’t as experienced.

When I do run into uncharted waters for myself, I ask this advice and do my research. And will always listen to what they have to say on how to respond or handle a situation.

“I’ll let my lawyer handle it” famous last words. Game over. I love it when someone tells me that. I know I got them in the trap.

I don’t always win, nobody’s does. But the legal system in America is a hanger now with the internet and the rule book is all there-just read the law. That’s about the only thing online that’s worth 2¢ is the law library

Fatboy🤓
 
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pt109

WO double hemlock
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I was the same. First I had to learn to write instructions that couldn't be misunderstood by the simple minded then I had to learn to write so the malicious couldn't claim a failure to understand. Another position was as the sole technical illustrator in a nuclear plant. This also involved adding in all of other people's text. Just to lower my workload I got very good at editing their text and getting agreement before I complete my work.

I find it almost impossible to write short posts now!

About Coco, hopefully he just decided his dry January would be dry from posting on AZB. Like many, I would miss him if he left. I find him to be a gentler soul than many on here.

Hu
I‘ve always found you to be an interesting man, Hu….a guy who can win the $$ in a tough bar and walk out with it…and converse with a professor and get respect ….a street definition of a Rhodes scholar.
I‘m a high school dropout but I got high marks at English and I actually proof read for a couple small publications.
Years ago, Coco went through a period of bans….I stuck up for his right to post.…but I also told him he’d get more respect if he proof read his own post…his excuse was that he didn’t have spell check…I told him he has google…so for a couple weeks his posts were much better.
Then he went back to posting like an eight year old….mind you, some of it was entertaining, like David Peat used to be.
 

ShootingArts

Smorg is giving St Peter the 7!
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Don't call me a country music fan, please, I am only going to post this to help find your Cowboy. If this does not bring him back, nothing will.

I grew up a-dreamin' of bein' a cowboy
And lovin' the cowboy ways
Pursuin' the life of my high-ridin' heroes
I burned up my childhood days
I learned all the rules of a modern-day drifter
Don't you hold on to nothin' too long
Just take what you need from the ladies, then leave them
With the words of a sad country song
My heroes have always been cowboys
And they still are, it seems
Sadly, in search of, but one step in back of
Themselves and their slow-movin' dreams
Cowboys are special with their own brand of misery
From bein' alone too long
You could die from the cold in the arms of a nightman
Knowin' well that your best days are gone
Pickin' up hookers instead of my pen
I let the words of my youth fade away
Old worn-out saddles, and old worn-out memories
With no one and no place to stay
My heroes have always been cowboys
And they still are, it seems
Sadly, in search of, and one step in back of
Themselves and their slow-movin' dreams
Sadly, in search of, and one step in back of
Themselves and their slow-movin' dreams

From the first time I saw Coco's handle I realized there was an interesting fellow to be able to turn a pun on a country song into a name with the wood of a cue.

Speaking of lyrics:
I called, collect on the phone
You say you're tired and alone
But it sounds like someone else is lying there
She said, "Don't call me no more"
Don't you knock on my door
Its too late now and I know you'll never change
She said, "You're just a Coca Cola cowboy"
You got an Eastwood smile and Robert Redford hair
But you walked across my heart like it was Texas
And you taught me how to say I just don't care
She said just leave me alone
And let me hang up this phone
'Cause he'll see me cry and think I still love you
Please don't call me no more
I changed the locks on my door
It's time you understood that we are through
She said, "You're just a Coca Cola cowboy"
You got an Eastwood smile and Robert Redford hair
But you walked across my heart like it was Texas
And you taught me how to say I just don't care
She said, "You're just a Coca Cola cowboy"
You got an Eastwood smile and Robert Redford hair
But you walked across my heart like it was Texas
And you taught me how to say I just don't care
Yes, she taught me how to say I just don't care
 

Dead Money

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I’ve had so many people ask me if I’m a lawyer over the years. Until they see what I look like😂. I can read any law/contract and need no help from any lawyer to understand it.

I never take biz advice from a lawyer-that’s only 2 worse than suicide.

I tell my lawyers what I need, they are the word smiths and I have them draft the letters or responses and then I proof read them to see if the spirit of the language is going in the direction I like. This is 80% of the time.

20% of the time +/- I’ll follow the advice of my lawyer(s) and go the direction they want after I do my homework on their suggestion. When I was younger, more often as I wasn’t as experienced.

When I do run into uncharted waters for myself, I ask this advice and do my research. And will always listen to what they have to say on how to respond or handle a situation.

“I’ll let my lawyer handle it” famous last words. Game over. I love it when someone tells me that. I know I got them in the trap.

I don’t always win, nobody’s does. But the legal system in America is a hanger now with the internet and the rule book is all there-just read the law. That’s about the only thing online that’s worth 2¢ is the law library

Fatboy🤓
Ahem.... and AZB!
 

Logandgriff

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I’ve had so many people ask me if I’m a lawyer over the years. Until they see what I look like😂. I can read any law/contract and need no help from any lawyer to understand it.

I never take biz advice from a lawyer-that’s only 2nd worse than suicide.

I tell my lawyers what I need, they are the word smiths and I have them draft the letters or responses and then I proof read them to see if the spirit of the language is going in the direction I like. This is 80% of the time.

20% of the time +/- I’ll follow the advice of my lawyer(s) and go the direction they want after I do my homework on their suggestion. When I was younger, more often as I wasn’t as experienced.

When I do run into uncharted waters for myself, I ask this advice and do my research. And will always listen to what they have to say on how to respond or handle a situation.

“I’ll let my lawyer handle it” famous last words. Game over. I love it when someone tells me that. I know I got them in the trap.

I don’t always win, nobody’s does. But the legal system in America is a hanger now with the internet and the rule book is all there-just read the law. That’s about the only thing online that’s worth 2¢ is the law library

Fatboy🤓
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Fatboy says: "I never take biz advice from a lawyer-that’s only 2nd worse than suicide."

Not sure about the suicide part but the part before the dash is very wise thinking. I've been a business lawyer for almost 50 years and one of the keys to my success was not giving business advice. Got a lot of client compliments about that.

Figure out what the client wants and get it for him or her. If the law or the other side won't let you get there, figure out another way to get the client what he or she wants. Explain to the client what the situation is in clear and simple terms; the client does not want to be bothered with the details or legal b.s.

That's all the business lawyer has to do.
 

ShootingArts

Smorg is giving St Peter the 7!
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Silver Member
I‘ve always found you to be an interesting man, Hu….a guy who can win the $$ in a tough bar and walk out with it…and converse with a professor and get respect ….a street definition of a Rhodes scholar.
I‘m a high school dropout but I got high marks at English and I actually proof read for a couple small publications.
Years ago, Coco went through a period of bans….I stuck up for his right to post.…but I also told him he’d get more respect if he proof read his own post…his excuse was that he didn’t have spell check…I told him he has google…so for a couple weeks his posts were much better.
Then he went back to posting like an eight year old….mind you, some of it was entertaining, like David Peat used to be.

You have my respect and it is earned! I have met enough low people in high places that I give no more than surface respect these days. To get more it has to be earned. You have had my respect for many years now.

Every once in awhile I wonder how many people still recognize PT 109. I haven't stretched my mind to remember what the initials stood for in years myself. Patrol Torpedo best I recall. I always remember a bit of trivia connected to when Kennedy was shot. That was the first time a television was ever allowed in my school. We watched news coverage from first bell to last then went home and watched more.

Hu
 

Fatboy

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
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Fatboy says: "I never take biz advice from a lawyer-that’s only 2nd worse than suicide."

Not sure about the suicide part but the part before the dash is very wise thinking. I've been a business lawyer for almost 50 years and one of the keys to my success was not giving business advice. Got a lot of client compliments about that.

Figure out what the client wants and get it for him or her. If the law or the other side won't let you get there, figure out another way to get the client what he or she wants. Explain to the client what the situation is in clear and simple terms; the client does not want to be bothered with the details or legal b.s.

That's all the business lawyer has to do.
That mite have been a bit over the top. What I meant was “business suicide” not RIP suicide.

I will follow my lawyers advice after I do my own work based on their guidance when it makes sense.

But blindly asking a lawyer for advice and following it without question is a very common route to failure. It’s not the lawyers fault. They are lawyers and wordsmiths and are very important. However they shouldn’t call the shots for your business, it’s up to the biz man to be smart enough about his biz, trade practices and compliance issue to make the decisions. also having the right instincts to call the shots.

If it’s a black and white compliance issue-then the lawyer is right and adjust your biz to follow his advice.

I love my lawyers most of the time. I’ve had some for over 20 years to recently as 2-3 months ago. I don’t change lawyers often. When I get a good one I stick with them until they retire, pass away or I’m not in that biz anymore. Many are just friends now after years and years of working together.

My point is depending on a lawyer for biz advice isn’t fair to the lawyer or yourself. It’s a bad crutch way too many small biz people make.

That’s a clearer explanation. I was in the car on the way to the airport when I made my first post.

I’m in a plane now on my way to Derby, unlikely I’ll need a lawyer there😉

Best
Regards

Fatboy esq ……..j/k 🤠
 
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straightline

CPG CBL
Silver Member
So has he been contacted? I kinda liked him at first then he got saltier so I went indifferent. Hoping it's just some butt hurt he waited too long on...
 

Bob Jewett

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For those who are wondering how he is doing, here is a link to his profile. It shows the last time he was on the site. It says that he was here 59 minutes ago and he was looking at this thread. I think he's OK.

 
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