Which joint do you prefer?????

What joint is your favorite?

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BTLS

BTLS

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Here are a few questions that I would like opinions on.

1) What size joint you prefer and why?

2) Why does that size give you that others do not?

3) What size do you not like and why?


I started out with 5/16x18 on a Meucci. I now HATE that joint. I know that Ernie uses it and I have all respect for him. If I had a Gina, I would probably like the size.

I then went to 5/16x14 and liked it fine. I didn't like all of them(Schon), just some(Scruggs and Mottey).

Tried a couple of 3/8x10 and liked the wood joint a lot.

Now I am using Radial and 3/8x11 and love them a lot. The bigger pins and wood to wood feel so nice and solid.

Now it is your turn.

Mike
 
I am very partial to the 3/8-10 and 3/8-11, though I can't tell any difference between them. My Sugartree(3/8-10) and my Stacey(3/8-11) both shot very similar.
 
rellek said:
I am very partial to the 3/8-10 and 3/8-11, though I can't tell any difference between them. My Sugartree(3/8-10) and my Stacey(3/8-11) both shot very similar.
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I prefer both these joints as well. Slightly more partial to the 3/8x10 because you can get any brand low deflection shaft more readily.
 
radial, because no insert like all 3/8's but the advantages over the other 3/8's include:

-section at top of pin to locate the threads to avoid any possible crossthreading
-more contact area (although the new 3/8x10 with large minor diameter is on par if not better)
-less turns to screw it on

3/8x10 are great because they are cheaper and used more and get my 2nd place.
 
I started out with a meucci as well, 3/8 x 18, and now hate it. Right now I like the 3/8x14 and 3/8x10, been switching between the two. I do like the wood joint as you get much more feed back. I do have a radial joint cue, but never truly appreciated it.
 
Meucci are 5/16 x 18 not 3/8 x 18. LOL

I still got what you meant.
Just breaking your balls a little.

Mike
 
I think people start to like or dislike a cue and make themselves believe it's the joint that's causing it. It's a visible form of construction, and if they could see the a-joint or handle wood, then they would have more to point to.

I've had several types and the joint is only a small part of the equation. I play with 5/16 x 18 now and it's fine, and the cue is not a Meucci.
 
Flame me but I used to like uni-loc qr because I'm lazy and cannot wait around to put a 5/16 18 joint together.

Now that I've had the opportunity to hit with different joints, I can say that anything besides the UL-QR feels tremendously "better". It's hard for me to quantify "better" but it's definitely "better".
 
Everybody seems to think that there is "one" holy grail joint / pin.
The pin/joint construction is only one of many many things that affect the playability of a cue. I think there is too much emphisis placed on what type of pin is used, because when you think about what the pin does (draws the cue together) that is a very simple function and not hard.What IS important at the joint concerning playability is weight distribution and how it affects the nodal points along the cue, other than that it just needs to hold the cue together, last a long time, withstand damaging perpendicular impacts, and transfer the vibration effectively(piloted compression fit joint).
 
BTLS said:
I started out with 5/16x18 on a Meucci. I now HATE that joint.

Mike
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Can you tell us why?? I've used several {joints, not Meuccis} over the years but can't say that I dislike them because of the pin size. I dislike most stainless steel joints with few exceptions but that's because of the hit.
 
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I prefere the Ray Schuler joint....why??? cuzz that is the most solid hitting easy to move the cue ball around "cue" I have had in a long time...ofcourse its more than just the joint type, but it does go together solid has a solid feel and it just looks totaly fkin Kewwl hehe :p I picked uni-lock from yo list tho...I like that joint because the shaft and the butt end always match perfect and that means alot to me...alot of joint types dont. My Schuler is very very close but it isnt as close as a unilock
 
I love the hit of a radial joint. On the plus side I have a 314-2 shaft for radial so no matter what other cue I get I will always have an extra shaft for it.

I had an OB1 too, but sold that as an extra shaft for a cue I sold last week.
 
bencho said:
Flame me but I used to like uni-loc qr because I'm lazy and cannot wait around to put a 5/16 18 joint together.

Now that I've had the opportunity to hit with different joints, I can say that anything besides the UL-QR feels tremendously "better". It's hard for me to quantify "better" but it's definitely "better".
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agreed on 5/16x18.. that's 18 turns. radial is around 8, and 3/8x10 is well, 10.
 
Radial location and support

I like a piloted G-10 pin. It is a 3/8-10 therefore that is what I like. I don't think there is any magic to that thread size and I have plans to test some other threads.(sorry, won't talk about them right now) I do favor larger pins over smaller.

The biggest issue with most joints is that conventional thread profiles are only designed to hold two things together, they are not designed to locate anything radially. What that means is that the typical flat faced joint doesn't go together exactly the same every time and there may be some movement in the joint when playing. Radial pins, acme thread, some custom thread profiles, and best of all some form of pilot, address this issue.

The ideal pin would be less bulky than a wooden pin but would still have all of the characteristics of wood while providing radial support. The perfect two piece cue plays like a one piece cue. It is much easier said than done.

Hu



BTLS said:
Here are a few questions that I would like opinions on.

1) What size joint you prefer and why?

2) Why does that size give you that others do not?

3) What size do you not like and why?


I started out with 5/16x18 on a Meucci. I now HATE that joint. I know that Ernie uses it and I have all respect for him. If I had a Gina, I would probably like the size.

I then went to 5/16x14 and liked it fine. I didn't like all of them(Schon), just some(Scruggs and Mottey).

Tried a couple of 3/8x10 and liked the wood joint a lot.

Now I am using Radial and 3/8x11 and love them a lot. The bigger pins and wood to wood feel so nice and solid.

Now it is your turn.

Mike
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My hands-down unequivicable favorite is the Chuck Starkey wood pin.

Next would be the 3/8 x 10 and 3/8 x 11. I think they provide a better feel when used with a wood to wood joint.
 
When I returned to pool after a 25 year sabatical you would have had a hard time convincing me that my Josswest with the stainless/piloted 5/16 X 14 joint could have been bested. 15 or so cues later and I'm a devoted wood to wood or ivory to wood player and buyer. I like the feedback and the softer hit. The pin can be any large pin. I think I've tried them all except a G-10 pin, and I like them all, however I now order cues with a Radial Pin. Reason being that a cuemaker can install them perfectly straight. I also benefit because I can't slightly crossthread it like I can with a 3/8 X 10 or 11. I think the hit variable is the same, as long as the other components are equal. Frankly, I believe the shaftwood, the shaft's taper, and the tip and ferrule are the biggest part of the "hit" equation. YMMV but if I don't like the shaft the cue is worthless to me...Tom
 
Tightly rolled with top quality green-ig and preferably a paper filter on the end!

Sorry didn't see it on the list..;)
 
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