Which way did it go???

Terry Ardeno

Terry Ardeno

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Yesterday, a person with the user name Jule supposedly from Austria posted a very tasteless video clip and there was an outpouring of negative responses. (Earl's dad died earlier in the week and posting something so ignorant just to get some attention was really uncalled for)

I looked for that thread today and it's gone or somewhere where I can't find it. All the posts that people posted on it are deleted from the users folder. I checked who I remembered posting responses and they're all gone. Even the two responses I made are gone.

This is Twilightzone-ish. No evidence exists that that thread ever existed. I could not find a thread explaining it's absence.
I'm really curious as to what happened to that thread.
 
That happens with some threads. The varney thread that ended up just being filled with people having bad experiences vanished too.

I think the mods just move it to a nonviewable section since the timing was poor and all.
 
Terry Ardeno said:
Yesterday, a person with the user name Jule supposedly from Austria posted a very tasteless video clip and there was an outpouring of negative responses. (Earl's dad died earlier in the week and posting something so ignorant just to get some attention was really uncalled for)

I looked for that thread today and it's gone or somewhere where I can't find it. All the posts that people posted on it are deleted from the users folder. I checked who I remembered posting responses and they're all gone. Even the two responses I made are gone.

This is Twilightzone-ish. No evidence exists that that thread ever existed. I could not find a thread explaining it's absence.
I'm really curious as to what happened to that thread.
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Personally, I think it's a bad idea showing video of a professional getting harrassed by a fan and I'm glad the az thread was removed. It sets a horrible precedent and I complained to youtube about it. Nothing against the youtube site but I really do worry about what people will do to become youtube celebrities.
 
I'm glad I saw it. It shows the reality of what he puts up with. No doubt that guy is lucky a lot of us weren't present, but they gave a great example of the absolutely terrible people that he is often the target of. I hope Earl gets his mind together and dominates even moreso now than I did before.

The intentions of the OP were definitely off-target... but I'm still glad I saw it.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Personally, I think it's a bad idea showing video of a professional getting harrassed by a fan and I'm glad the az thread was removed. It sets a horrible precedent and I complained to youtube about it. Nothing against the youtube site but I really do worry about what people will do to become youtube celebrities.
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Exactly.
And I would have liked to see even more of a backlash in support of NOT posting such ignorant stuff here.
It goes back to what a lot of us have been clamoring about for some time...why would a pro player want to contribute here when almost every one of them has to deal with morons & idiots trying to get their 15 minutes of fame at another's expense.
I'm glad it was pulled, if that's what happened to it, but I read several very nicely written castigations that maybe should have stayed up a little while longer for other wanna-be's to peruse before they try something as ignorant.
I'm glad that so many of us here DID take a stand against that trash.
 
I too am glad it was removed! I made several complaints to youtube about it,and ask azers to also complain, Glad we got the jerks video removed.
 
Missing thread

If it shows up in your posts and when you click on the thread, it says you need a password to view, the moderators have place it in a place where it cannot be viewed anymore.

Otherwise if it is totally gone, there is a good chance that the original poster deleted it.

I didn't see it, but, I don't think I missed anything. Better off that it is gone.
 
Am I leaping to conclusions or do most of the previous posters in this thread support censorship? Based on their own ideas of what should or shouldn't be posted?

I think the poor guy who posted did nothing wrong and will remind everyone what D.L. Hughley said recently "freedom of speech is a zero sum proposition"

you are not forced to watch it - and youtube will end up - down the tubes - if censorship is forced down their throats

I don't agree with everything posted or shown on youtube or posted on AZ - but last time I checked this is still (barely) America and I support the right to post
 
gesan said:
... but last time I checked this is still (barely) America and I support the right to post
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Funny... but I don't seem to recall that one in the Bill of Rights.
 
Am I leaping to conclusions or do most of the previous posters in this thread support censorship? Based on their own ideas of what should or shouldn't be posted?

I think the poor guy who posted did nothing wrong and will remind everyone what D.L. Hughley said recently "freedom of speech is a zero sum proposition"

you are not forced to watch it - and youtube will end up - down the tubes - if censorship is forced down their throats

I don't agree with everything posted or shown on youtube or posted on AZ - but last time I checked this is still (barely) America and I support the right to post
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agreed.

i don't think he realised earl's dad had passed away recently and posting this now would not be a good idea. he might not have saw the thread. and he did say that the stunt was tasteless.

lets not crucify the man.
 
gesan said:
Am I leaping to conclusions or do most of the previous posters in this thread support censorship? Based on their own ideas of what should or shouldn't be posted?

I think the poor guy who posted did nothing wrong and will remind everyone what D.L. Hughley said recently "freedom of speech is a zero sum proposition"

you are not forced to watch it - and youtube will end up - down the tubes - if censorship is forced down their throats

I don't agree with everything posted or shown on youtube or posted on AZ - but last time I checked this is still (barely) America and I support the right to post
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On the contrary, Freedom of Speech is not absolute. You cannot walk into a crowded room and yell, "fire" and then cite the First Amendment. Other people have rights, too and they need to be respected.

What's more, although this forum is dedicated to public use, it is NOT a public forum. It is privately owned and operated and the site administrator gets to decide what is or is not appropriate.

The bottom line is, Free Speech requires a huge amount of responsibility and you don't possess a right to post. I've read the Constitution thoroughly and studied each and every sentence. I am 100% certain nothing about posting is there. However, Earl Strickland has a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Last I checked, that means something, too.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
On the contrary, Freedom of Speech is not absolute. You cannot walk into a crowded room and yell, "fire" and then cite the First Amendment. Other people have rights, too and they need to be respected.

What's more, although this forum is dedicated to public use, it is NOT a public forum. It is privately owned and operated and the site administrator gets to decide what is or is not appropriate.

The bottom line is, Free Speech requires a huge amount of responsibility and you don't possess a right to post. I've read the Constitution thoroughly and studied each and every sentence. I am 100% certain nothing about posting is there. However, Earl Strickland has a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Last I checked, that means something, too.
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Nobodies a bigger fan of Earls than i am - I wish he woulda knocked the guy out - I'm just saying the guy who posted shouldn't be crucified either
 
It wasn't in bad taste to post it. It was in bad taste for Earl to have an outburst like that. I also don't think his dad passing has anything to do with posting.
 
gesan said:
Nobodies a bigger fan of Earls than i am - I wish he woulda knocked the guy out - I'm just saying the guy who posted shouldn't be crucified either
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I understand what you're saying but all the same, the first amendment also gives people the right to tell him he shouldn't post that stuff.
 
Yeah, I don't think the poster, Jule, made the video, nor was he the one IN the video. Starting the thread was probably a mistake, especially given the difficulty Earl must be going through with his father passing away. For the record, in his second post in the thread, Jule did state that he sided with Earl in that case.

Out of respect for Earl, I'm glad the thread was removed. It was getting ugly, and there's no need for that right now.

"Free speech", and the concept of "censorship" doesn't apply to AZ and YouTube, which are privately owned websites. They can censor whatever they want. If someone is strongly opposed to things getting pulled, they are free to start their own websites. I'm sure the National Enquirer and the Jerry Springer Show are both profitable entities, so the demand for sleazy entertainment is there. Start forums.pooltrash.com and make a bundle. :rolleyes: :D

Another point is that free speech should not be absolute. The classic example is shouting "fire" in a crowded building.
 
RunoutalloverU said:
It wasn't in bad taste to post it. It was in bad taste for Earl to have an outburst like that. I also don't think his dad passing has anything to do with posting.
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This whole thing isn't dissimlar to teenagers that beat the crap out of schoolmates and then post the fight-video on youtube. It's disturbing. It only serves as self-promotion and to embarrass the victim.

Seriously, what's next? To what extent will people go to be internet-famous?
 
Everyone does have the freedom of speech.

But as has been pointed out, this is a private venu. The admins and mods have the right to decide what is appropriate.

As for the posting of the clip, I'll keep my opinion to myself.
 
RunoutalloverU said:
It wasn't in bad taste to post it. It was in bad taste for Earl to have an outburst like that. I also don't think his dad passing has anything to do with posting.
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Well, no disrespect to you intended here, but it's in bad taste not to resist the temptation to bash Earl when his father just passed away. So you see, no one's perfect, not even you (nor am I). :)
 
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