Who do you think the best living cuemaker?
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JimBo said:
Please join RIF, then come back and comment.
Joe
JimBo said:
Not talking about Richard Black's wallet.. please stay on topic. My comment was made to the tie cue. BTW someone, somewhere created the art for the tie. I know its hard for you to comprehend, but it was what happened. John is bringing up a very valid point. What you are saying is its ok to copy, or be inspired by, other peoples artwork on cues although there are laws against using any art, photograph on ANY medium without permission.
Joe
merylane said:ohh so your not talking about stealing artwork or original designs?
i think i understand nowit only applies to those put on cues original or not.
i guess your not talking construction designs either?
No I wasn't talking about construction, but I am sure that's another area we can debate. Also many of the Construction things are under patents.
And Yes typically I have been talking about Cue Design Theft, Theft of work already done ON CUES by CUE MAKERS. I can understand how it gets mixed up since Joe tries to drag in all sorts of other issues to hide his lack of material to back up his opinions. Again Gray areas come into it, it's an easier debate when you consider newer original works, new designs where the cuemakers are making their own inlays and the such.
Jim
classiccues said:
Are you a moron? Have you even seen the tie cue??
STOP CUE DESIGN THEFT!!
The topic we are trying to debate (although it seems one sided) is cuemakers who copy other cue makers on cues. We are doing this in a cue related forum where we talk about cues. Although it is nice to see that your stupidity is consistent, I mean you also believed it was ok to Steal Photos that didn't belong to you, then of course in typical Joe Van style you tried to twist and claim they were yours because some of the content of the photo belonged to your boss, then when that got shot down you tried to say it was ok cause they were taken at his place, then it was ok for other reasons. All the while you kept getting shot down by actual laws, but of course you were smarter then the laws and the twists just keep coming. You may be a complete idiot Joe but at least you're consistent. Consistent and Loyal normally good traits when used along with logic, Meatloaf said it best 2 out of 3 ain't bad buddy.
Jim
Dieckman Sayzzzz
Well, if you want me to vote I WOULD GO WITH Ernie, Bert and Tad-san. And then there is of course DPK. Ernie gets my vote because EVERYBODY copies his point work in the rear 5 inches of a cue. A MASTER of that work. BERT, if only because he has been so copied, especially by Richard Black who has won awards for his copy work of BERT's designs. Tad-san's ringwork if trend setting; the only person who approaches it is DAVID BAREENBRUGGE in this day and age, one of my many students. And as to DPK, why do fours when you can do fives, the pentagram to call up the ancient forces, the pagans. DPK also pioneered the very short BUTT RING, as defined by THE GOLDEN IDEAL OF THE GREEKS: that is the ratio of 1:1.33, as defined by The Parthenon. And then of course, I add myself, if only because of my BUTTERFLYS and my WOOD THREADED JOINTS.
YOUNG MEN DOING WORK TODAY THAT WILL STAND THE TEST OF TIME:
Dennis Searing, Ron Haley, Chris Nitti, David Barenbrugge, Steve Titus, all of which have be trying for around 15 years, all of which came to me for advice IN THE BEGINNING. Of those that have only 2-10 years in of experience, well they are too numerous to mention but if you call me up and tell me where you live I will put you in touch with one of them that is near you [734-428-1161, after 4pm EST]
Cheers,
The Dieckmaniac, Builder Of Magik Wandzzzzz
Well, if you want me to vote I WOULD GO WITH Ernie, Bert and Tad-san. And then there is of course DPK. Ernie gets my vote because EVERYBODY copies his point work in the rear 5 inches of a cue. A MASTER of that work. BERT, if only because he has been so copied, especially by Richard Black who has won awards for his copy work of BERT's designs. Tad-san's ringwork if trend setting; the only person who approaches it is DAVID BAREENBRUGGE in this day and age, one of my many students. And as to DPK, why do fours when you can do fives, the pentagram to call up the ancient forces, the pagans. DPK also pioneered the very short BUTT RING, as defined by THE GOLDEN IDEAL OF THE GREEKS: that is the ratio of 1:1.33, as defined by The Parthenon. And then of course, I add myself, if only because of my BUTTERFLYS and my WOOD THREADED JOINTS.
YOUNG MEN DOING WORK TODAY THAT WILL STAND THE TEST OF TIME:
Dennis Searing, Ron Haley, Chris Nitti, David Barenbrugge, Steve Titus, all of which have be trying for around 15 years, all of which came to me for advice IN THE BEGINNING. Of those that have only 2-10 years in of experience, well they are too numerous to mention but if you call me up and tell me where you live I will put you in touch with one of them that is near you [734-428-1161, after 4pm EST]
Cheers,
The Dieckmaniac, Builder Of Magik Wandzzzzz
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my vote to Dennis Searing hands down. look at the demand! He seldom churn out intricate cues, but people ( no dealer or searing supporters, we talkin the general public here ) are willing to pay like 1k for a sneaky, and 2 k for a basic 4 point no veneer. The masses cant be wrong !
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JimBo said:
SO I will ask again.. is it ok to steal other art for use in cues? No one stole a photo, so why bring it up? You want to see it again, I can put it back up. Then we can have the same arguement about "your" agreement. Going round in round on how little Jimmy don't remember the agreement he made and all that nonsense.
Joe
The Golden Ratio, aka Phi, is exactly (1+SQRT(5))/2, or approximately 1.61803.
(SQRT(5) = Square root of 5)
It is found in the Parthenon (this point is debated by historians), but is not defined by it. It is also found in many places in nature. Additionally, it is closely related to the Fibonacci sequence.
classiccues said:
Why would I answer a question that isn't on topic? Just to help you with more ammo to avoid what we are debating, it's typical of you.
I have already commented, if you get an idea for a cue from another area it's fine because it's a different format, you can't steal it because you can't duplicate it. But it can inspire you, a great example are the Persian rug cues, a top collector sent a picture of a Persian rug to some cue makers and ask them to make cues based on the pic, the cues looked nothing alike and weren't exact copies of the rug, but you could see the influence. Now is it possible to copy a rug on a cue?? I doubt it, the formats are just to different. But again we are talking about cue design theft, a topic you seem to be hell bent on avoiding. The comon sense answer is STEALING is wrong Joe, sorry you weren't brought up right. But again the topic you want so bad to avoid here is cue design theft, if you don't have anything to add to the thread then stop the stalking.
As far as the picture goes, you've already posted it, big deal all it proved was what a scumbag your boss Mark K from pool table magic is and how he can't be trusted. I don't really care what you do but if you'd like to continue to give me reasons to post what a piece of crap no good lying scum Mr. Mark Kulungian is. Now aren't you glad you brought it up again LOL tell Mark if he has a problem with me writing the truth down to give me a call, he has my number.
Jim
My personal favorites
I was going to post my top 5, but couldn't leave any of these guys off the list. I know that I am missing some of the guys that are top notch, but these are the ones I have the most personal experience with.
Here we go in no particular order:
1. Gutierrez: innovator, design and playability (my personal playing cue)
2. Hercek: construction master, playability and simplistic but effective design.
3. Schick: engraving, playability and no fear artistically.
4. Stroud: innovator and engineering genius.
5. Black Boar: best designs on the planet (just my opinion), love his silver work. (negative: where in the hell do all of his cues go?!)
6. B. Szamboti: tradition, integrity and most all one of the nicest people in the business.
I was going to post my top 5, but couldn't leave any of these guys off the list. I know that I am missing some of the guys that are top notch, but these are the ones I have the most personal experience with.
Here we go in no particular order:
1. Gutierrez: innovator, design and playability (my personal playing cue)
2. Hercek: construction master, playability and simplistic but effective design.
3. Schick: engraving, playability and no fear artistically.
4. Stroud: innovator and engineering genius.
5. Black Boar: best designs on the planet (just my opinion), love his silver work. (negative: where in the hell do all of his cues go?!)
6. B. Szamboti: tradition, integrity and most all one of the nicest people in the business.
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JimBo said:
OMG, you have got the be the biggest, whiniest, titty-sucking baby out there. Whether them posting the pic was a misunderstanding or a mistake, you should GET THE PHUCK OVER IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sean
JimBo said:
No, it proves you cannot be trusted. See its all perspective. But you bought it up and now everyone can see the chip you have and what a nit you are. The scumbag is you, you bought it up and now want to blame it on me. Nice guy you are.. MR. Holier than thou no copy cue guy. Do you need me to show you where you referenced it in the thread? Or do you want to say "no I didn't, your making things up". But of course you need to interject MK into every debate you have with me because in your peabrain, you cannot seperate the two of us, kind of like with you and your bunkmate.. to seperate, insert crowbar here.
Your the obsessed one, call him. You have the chip, it's not bothering him.
Joe
this statment is what this thread should be about!!!thank you jimmy for staying on track you are a class act and it was a pleasure doing buisness with you at the derby and the glass city.we need more people like you in this industry!I agree with you on all your points and barry and joel are two of the nicest guys in any industry and no matter what they do they will sucseed just because of honesty and integrety!!!Jimmyrayk said:
cornerstone said:
Thanks Bill, I do wish there were more positive posts on this forum. It gets way too personal at times. But that is the "nature of the beast". I was even hesitant about joining the forum. But I will try my best to keep it positive. It should be all about the "passion" of cue collecting. I am a little "nuts" about this hobby and hope it continues to grow. Great luck in your business.........
Jim
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My predictions
I know this thread is about the greatest living cuemakers but I would like to inject a couple of names that I think will make this list down the road. I guess I'm hijacking in a sense but it's not my intention.
I agree with everyone so far so it's not worth it to me to keep writing the same names.
Here are two cuemakers that I think will break through to the big time within the next 5 years:
Mike Webb ( Honest and ethical, continuously striving for better )
Eric Crisp - Sugartree cues ( some of the finest woods I have ever seen and a true student of the art )
Honorable mention has to go out to Joey. Anyone who is tutoring as hard as he is under the guidance of Kerry Zeiler has a good shot to get there someday.
Carry on,
Koop
I know this thread is about the greatest living cuemakers but I would like to inject a couple of names that I think will make this list down the road. I guess I'm hijacking in a sense but it's not my intention.
I agree with everyone so far so it's not worth it to me to keep writing the same names.
Here are two cuemakers that I think will break through to the big time within the next 5 years:
Mike Webb ( Honest and ethical, continuously striving for better )
Eric Crisp - Sugartree cues ( some of the finest woods I have ever seen and a true student of the art )
Honorable mention has to go out to Joey. Anyone who is tutoring as hard as he is under the guidance of Kerry Zeiler has a good shot to get there someday.
Carry on,
Koop
