Who do you think the best living cuemaker?

[JimBo]

hey jimbo!hows it going? well richard has hit the national art stage, and does get floor time ,and has just been signed to do a traveling art exibit!he did the art of cue exibit and it was a huge hit so they offered a traveling show.so that is why he will get my vote and ernie as the only living cue maker in the hall of fame. if you think about it he was a accretted cue maker before the majorty even put a tip on! ill buy you tickets to the next museum show! take it easy

Bill, there have been a few guys featured in museum shows, but nothing like the grand stage of the Smith. I know PFD had a display set up in a gallery that sposedly got robbed, maybe that will wreck it for others??? Who knows. I also remember a place in the village (NYC) that was sposed to showcase some cues last year, I was going to check it out but info was tough to come by.

Jim

 

[JimBo]

Since I like the classic traditional 4 point cue.. I would have to put in no particular order...
Mottey/White, Szamboti, Schick, Weston maybe a few others...

But I have no love for the cnc set, with one exception.

Consistent high end design.. I always liked Ernies stuff because alot of it still looks like points, even though its mostly cnc. His Shakazula cue remains one of my favorite cues.

Joe

Geee that's funny, last year it was Skip all alone on top.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Maybe the deals he was giving you dried up.
I'm sure I'm just cynical maybe Mottey and Szamboti have made some improvements over the last few months, yeah that most be it, sorry Joe.
Jim

 

[JimBo]

wow! i think thats one of al stohlman's wallet designs?

boy i hope jimbo dont see that.... oh wait doesnt apply to designs from outside the cue world.

I know it's a joke John, but honestly it doesn't cross the line, it's a totally different format, if it were a wallet I'd have issue with him copying another artist's wallet, but barrowing an element from another form is fine and more of it should be done. There is art that can be barrowed everywhere we look from architecture to nature, the limits are boundless as TW showed with his cue crafted from the art on a tie.

Jim

 

[JimBo]

I am somewhat surprised that Mike Bender didn't get a nod. Particularly his high end stuff as of late has really been knocking me out.

Lisa

I agree, Mike is in my top 5, his stuff is awesome.

Jim

 

[JimBo]

bill schick In my opinion is the best cue maker still alive.My that guys cue's just blow your mind stunning peices of art and they play good to.

Matt didn't you post back on page one that your choice was Murrell??
Why the change of heart? Surely you don't think Bill is better then Kenny.

Jim

 

[merylane]

I know it's a joke John, but honestly it doesn't cross the line, it's a totally different format, if it were a wallet I'd have issue with him copying another artist's wallet, but barrowing an element from another form is fine and more of it should be done. There is art that can be barrowed everywhere we look from architecture to nature, the limits are boundless as TW showed with his cue crafted from the art on a tie.

Jim

see this is where you got very wrong and why i dont agree with your "other side of the fence theory" ?

did you ask the tie designer?

would it be ok to put a nike swoosh on a cue?

whos joking?

 

[JoeyInCali]

I know it's a joke John, but honestly it doesn't cross the line, it's a totally different format, if it were a wallet I'd have issue with him copying another artist's wallet, but barrowing an element from another form is fine and more of it should be done. There is art that can be barrowed everywhere we look from architecture to nature, the limits are boundless as TW showed with his cue crafted from the art on a tie.

Jim

I agree.
You can't fault Gus for using guitar inlays on his cues.
I don't think any guitarmaker who originated those inlays would complain.

 

[merylane]

I agree.
You can't fault Gus for using guitar inlays on his cues.
I don't think any guitarmaker who originated those inlays would complain.

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[classiccues]

I agree.
You can't fault Gus for using guitar inlays on his cues.
I don't think any guitarmaker who originated those inlays would complain.

Makes do difference. Besides, luthiers and their shell inlays have been around a long, long time. Shell inlays were put in many other items going way back into the 18th century and probably before that.

Joe

 

[classiccues]

Geee that's funny, last year it was Skip all alone on top.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Maybe the deals he was giving you dried up.
I'm sure I'm just cynical maybe Mottey and Szamboti have made some improvements over the last few months, yeah that most be it, sorry Joe.
Jim

Jimbo,
Go screw, ok. This question is not the same as the last one.

Joe

 

[JoeyInCali]

Makes do difference. Besides, luthiers and their shell inlays have been around a long, long time. Shell inlays were put in many other items going way back into the 18th century and probably before that.

Joe

Makes no difference with/how whom?
So, was Gus wrong in using guitar inlays?
What if someone used a Bowie knife form as inlays?
Would he be stealing the design of a Bowie knife?

 

[classiccues]

I know it's a joke John, but honestly it doesn't cross the line, it's a totally different format, if it were a wallet I'd have issue with him copying another artist's wallet, but barrowing an element from another form is fine and more of it should be done. There is art that can be barrowed everywhere we look from architecture to nature, the limits are boundless as TW showed with his cue crafted from the art on a tie.

Jim

This shows your a complete idiot. The limits are boundless, yeah when someone else does the design. Its design infringement, 100%. A cuemaker can borrow art from anyone else, but another cuemaker. Damn thats the funniest damn thing you have said in a long time. goon.

Joe

 

[classiccues]

Makes no difference with/how whom?
So, was Gus wrong in using guitar inlays?
What if someone used a Bowie knife form as inlays?
Would he be stealing the design of a Bowie knife?

No, gus wasn't wrong because Gibson/Martin buy the inlays they use. He was just buying possibly from the same source. This is a material that is common to anyone that wants to buy them. However if he arranges them in a pattern seen on a guitar, then it could be questioned.

Joe

 

[JoeyInCali]

No, gus wasn't wrong because Gibson/Martin buy the inlays they use. He was just buying possibly from the same source. This is a material that is common to anyone that wants to buy them. However if he arranges them in a pattern seen on a guitar, then it could be questioned.

Joe

K, thanks.
That would mean then TW's Celtic cue was a 'ripoff" because that design came from some tie or rug?

 

[classiccues]

K, thanks.
That would mean then TW's Celtic cue was a 'ripoff" because that design came from some tie or rug?

I have no idea where he got the inspiration. I do know that Celtic desigs are everywhere from tattoos to jewlery, and also in custom guitars. SO if he did a spin on a celtic pattern, it could be original, and still be celtic design.

Joe

 

[JimBo]

see this is where you got very wrong and why i dont agree with your "other side of the fence theory" ?

I guess the part I fail to convey is that I feel that design work is much tougher then people give credit for. Nice designs are even harder to come by, I believe that a cuemaker should be paid for his work, and that nobody else should benifit from stealing this work. I also feel that many people who lack any talent steal this stuff, if they were true artist and proud of their work they would never want to be known for stealing or barrowing, kinda how Webb and Madden both spoke out and said they don't want to make cues for a person who asks for a cue that's like a (fill in the blank). Sp the point is when they barrow from a wallet it doesn't hurt a fellow cue maker or the wallet maker and here is where that argument that there is nothing new that hasn't been done before.

did you ask the tie designer?

Again I know this is a joke, because that tie was the inspiration, it wasn't a copy, if you took that tie and wrapped it around a house cue it would have looked nothing like the cue TW made.

would it be ok to put a nike swoosh on a cue?

No, that's a trademarked logo, but again you know this and it's almost no difference then stealing a cue design, except that Nike has a ton of cash and a team of lawyers, if you made 1 cue for a hoops player who asked it wouldn't trip any alarms, but if you tried to market a line of Nike cues you'd better believe you'd get a letter.

whos joking?

You are :-D

Jim

 

[JimBo]

Jimbo,
Go screw, ok. This question is not the same as the last one.

Joe

Joe it's not nice when you treat a friend like this, come on buddy.
I mean are you unable to separate the difference of opinions on certain topics with your personal feelings? I don't care if we disagree on some issues, you're still my good buddy;-D

Jim

 

[JimBo]

This shows your a complete idiot. The limits are boundless, yeah when someone else does the design. Its design infringement, 100%. A cuemaker can borrow art from anyone else, but another cuemaker. Damn thats the funniest damn thing you have said in a long time. goon.

Joe

Joe I understand you aren't that bright and you're letting a personal thing cloud your thinking, but you are making yourself look like a moron. Take a breath. The fact is a wallet is a flat square, when R.Black made that cue his idea came from that art, he didn't copy it, his cue is a long cylinder, he didn't take a picture of a cue and duplicate it, he was inspired by the art and used it's style. I know it's tough for a fool to understand, but don't be blinded by your jealousy of me.

Jim <---Your good buddy

 

[JimBo]

No, gus wasn't wrong because Gibson/Martin buy the inlays they use. He was just buying possibly from the same source. This is a material that is common to anyone that wants to buy them. However if he arranges them in a pattern seen on a guitar, then it could be questioned.

Joe

Joe, now you are trying to HyJack another thread. And you're once again proving what a complete moron you are, you see you do this when you start to feel you're looking bad. You try to expand the debate for more crap that you can twist, it's about CUE DESIGN THEFT now you are trying to drag in Guitars, they are separate canvases, one can inspire another, but to say one is copying another is a huge stretch, please try to stay on topic.

Jim

 

[Bulwinkl]

I do like a lot of the art based custom cues that are out there but who's going to play with them? Ok, yes. They are made to be looked at not played with.

I'm actually ordering a pretty expencive Bender 1-of-1, just because find no sence saving money on something that I want to be perfect, because I'll be holding it in my hands for 4 to 8 hours a day.
P.S. Slightly off, sorry