Who is going to win the 2023 Mosconi Cup?

Who wins Mosconi Cup 2023

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Smutzc

Smutzc

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Just rewatching last years Mosconi Cup matches. I have always thought Europe has the edge. Now I’m starting to think it is more 50/50 this year. This poll is WHO DO YOU THINK WILL WIN ? Not who you want to win lol
 
I’m always a sucker.

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If Team USA doesn't make the mistake of featuring SVB more than any other player, at least there might be a chance for Team USA. If they feature Fedor and Sky over the others, and Fedor and Sky deliver the goods, this year could be very close. Ignoring the team match, I think they need at least four match wins from Gorst.

Still, Europe deserves to be the favorite as indicated.
 
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By the FargoRate calculation done earlier, Europe is 82% to win. In the American way of quoting odds, I think that's +456.

Looking at the odds being offered by the betting shops, they are offering a Euro win as a 77% chance, which seems to be a chance to make money. And they're offering the Americans at a 27% chance to win. That adds to 104% which shows the bookies' built-in advantage.
 
I know the odds are tilted to Europes favor, but USA gave them a hell of a run the first couple of days last year. Fedor not only will help USA, physically but mentally. He takes a little weight off Sky and Shane to let them play a little more relaxed. USA has nothing to lose. Adds a little pressure to the Europeans. I also think Tyler and Fedor will make a great doubles Team 👍🏼👍🏼
 
With Fedor on the US team it may be a lot closer but IMO Europe will emerge as the winner. The lag seems to be a weak point for USA and in short races winning the break can be a big advantage.. It should be an interesting event either way thanks to Fedor’s inclusion.
 
Quesports said:
... The lag seems to be a weak point for USA and in short races winning the break can be a big advantage. ...
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Lags in the last 10 Mosconi Cups:

• Team USA won more lags than Team Europe 2 times, Team Europe won more than Team USA 5 times, and the two teams won the same number of lags 3 times. In total for the 10 Cups, Team USA won 68 lags (41%) and Team Europe won 96.​
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• The team that won the lag won 103 (63%) of the 164 matches played in those 10 years.​
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• Of the 41 matches that went to a hill/hill game, the breaking side (winner of the lag) won 28 (68%) of those games, 15 by B&R.​

More info: https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...mosconi-cup-nov-dec-2022.548763/#post-7412944
 
Thanks to AtLarge for the stats. I was out there on thin ice making assumptions based on personal observations.
 
Ugh if I was betting real money it would be on Europe. I think it comes down to how well the two players that arent named svb, gorst and sky play lol
 
sjm said:
If Team USA doesn't make the mistake of featuring SVB more than any other player, at least there might be a chance for Team USA. If they feature Fedor and Sky over the others, and Fedor and Sky deliver the goods, this year could be very close. Ignoring the team match, I think they need at least four match wins from Gorst.

Still, Europe deserves to be the favorite as indicated.
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I think they didn’t really have a choice in the past and the extra pressure affected SVB. Admittedly Sky has upped his game and taken some of that pressure off. But I think the Fedor inclusion will really change the dynamic. They have 2 to choose from now and I think that will help SVB. Wouldn’t surprise me if he has a stellar mosconi cup with Fedor falling off due to the spotlight (It will depend a lot how he handles the fans in the arena, they will be having a lot of fun with him!)
 
AtLarge said:
Lags in the last 10 Mosconi Cups:

• Team USA won more lags than Team Europe 2 times, Team Europe won more than Team USA 5 times, and the two teams won the same number of lags 3 times. In total for the 10 Cups, Team USA won 68 lags (41%) and Team Europe won 96.​
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• The team that won the lag won 103 (63%) of the 164 matches played in those 10 years.​
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• Of the 41 matches that went to a hill/hill game, the breaking side (winner of the lag) won 28 (68%) of those games, 15 by B&R.​

More info: https://forums.azbilliards.com/thre...mosconi-cup-nov-dec-2022.548763/#post-7412944
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The way I interpret these stats is:

1) The lag, to me, is meaningless except in double hill matches. In all other matches, the team that "breaks serve" more times than the other wins.

2) There are about four double hill matches per Mosconi Cup and the winner of the lag will win, on average, 2.72 of those racks. This would seem to suggest that relative to the double hill break being meaningless, winning the lag is worth .72 match wins per Mosconi Cup.

Hence, ignoring any psychological/momentum value of the lag, I have, and always will believe that the lag is fairly trivial at the Mosconi and it should not be emphasized in training, especially because players are not permitted to warm up on the Mosconi stream table anyway.

That said, all good players must do what it takes to develop general speed control skills, and the refinement of those skills will translate to success at the lag.
 
Bob Jewett said:
By the FargoRate calculation done earlier, Europe is 82% to win. In the American way of quoting odds, I think that's +456.

Looking at the odds being offered by the betting shops, they are offering a Euro win as a 77% chance, which seems to be a chance to make money. And they're offering the Americans at a 27% chance to win. That adds to 104% which shows the bookies' built-in advantage.
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I bet on KC to lose to Denver, I found out MaHomes wasn't feeling well and got an even money bet to win.
 
Gimme the odds on Matchroom figuring out how to save Day 4 of the MC just again :LOL:
 
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