Who Is/Was The Best Huslter Ever??

Southpaw

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Just wondering who everyone thinks was or is the best hustler ever. By best, I mean could get the money and get out without the sucker(s) ever realizing they had been hustled. I have heard stories from road players and the one everyone seems to mention is Jack Cooney. They say he would go into a town and not hit a ball for 2 weeks and learn exactly who to play in what order, then take the town off. Oh yeah, he did pretty well on the golf courses too I was told.

Southpaw
 
I can't speak from personal experience, but I have been told that when it came to getting the $, Vernon Elliot was the very finest. Always heard he could get the spot he should have been giving up.
 
Southpaw said:
Just wondering who everyone thinks was or is the best hustler ever. By best, I mean could get the money and get out without the sucker(s) ever realizing they had been hustled. I have heard stories from road players and the one everyone seems to mention is Jack Cooney. They say he would go into a town and not hit a ball for 2 weeks and learn exactly who to play in what order, then take the town off. Oh yeah, he did pretty well on the golf courses too I was told.

Southpaw


Just ask Freddy to tell you about Pots and Pans.
 
MFelsen said:
Not to forget Efren "Bata" Reyes.

Don`t know, who many Money Matches he might have won allready ;)

Never in my wildest dreams did I think of Efren as a Hustler.
 
Pots & Pans, The Rogue, The Guvner

ironman said:
Just ask Freddy to tell you about Pots and Pans.

Most of the bar-pool-action, hustling moves were invented by Bunny Pots and Pans Rogoff. We all learned from The Rogue (short for Rogoff). Even Jack Cooney studied under Bunny when Jack was living in Miami. Although even before Jack arrived in Miami, he was already a turned out "lemon" hustler. Bunny just polished off a few of Jack's rough edges.

Top Ten List: in no particular order
Bunny Rogoff
Jack Cooney
Earl Schriever
UJ Puckett
Weenie Beenie
Billy Incardona
Sterling Buttermilk Ward
Vernon Eliot
Brooklyn Jimmy Cassas
Minnesota Fats

apologies to those I forgot and left out

the Beard
 
freddy the beard said:
Most of the bar-pool-action, hustling moves were invented by Bunny Pots and Pans Rogoff. We all learned from The Rogue (short for Rogoff). Even Jack Cooney studied under Bunny when Jack was living in Miami. Although even before Jack arrived in Miami, he was already a turned out "lemon" hustler. Bunny just polished off a few of Jack's rough edges.

Top Ten List: in no particular order
Bunny Rogoff
Jack Cooney
Earl Schriever
UJ Puckett
Weenie Beenie
Billy Incardona
Sterling Buttermilk Ward
Vernon Eliot
Brooklyn Jimmy Cassas
Minnesota Fats

apologies to those I forgot and left out

the Beard

Incardona was a hustler? I've never heard any hustling stories about him, do you have any you could regale us with? Thanks.

-Andrew
 
Best Hustler

I was born and raised in a small town in Arkansas and somewhre around 72-75 we got a call that there was a big money game taking place in Texarkana, about 50 miles away.
We grabbed our cues and flew over to a bar called the Friendly Tavern, on the Ark side of Texarkana. Low and behold, Terry Bell and Larry Hubbart were playing 9-ball for $50 a game with about 50 watching and most side-betting. I thought I had died and gone to heaven.
Toward closing time, Terry and Larry decided to play the next day at 5:00 pm and wanted all, to know it.
We returned the next day to watch and side bet, because nothing like this took place in that part of the country.
The play was entertaing, but on the back table were two guys playing$10 9-ball and just aching for attention. Well, they got it.
An elderly fellow wearing a starched white shirt, starched blue denim over-alls, and a funny looking stove pipe hat walked uup to the table, reached in his pocket and pulled out one of thowe rubbe coin purses and laid a quarter on the table. The two players looked at each other and began to laugh at the silver haired fellow.
The game ended and the older fellow quietly walked up and began to rack. He racked all 15 balls and the younger player looked a little confused.
"we are playing 9-ball", he states confidently.
The older man loojked him square in the eye and says,"I only play pool, Boy"!!
"What do you mean you only play pool"
" Pool Boy, all I play is Pool" he insists.
The younger guy is a bit confuse, but giggling he asks, " yea, I know, but are playing 8-ball, or what"?
"Look,Boy, all I play is Pool, do you want to play, or what"?
By now the young fellow is confused when someone walks up and says that the old guy wnts to play rotation. Now he get's it!
"oh, you want to play rotation"?
"Yea, I told lyou, all I play is pool!"
"Well, how much do you want to play for" the kid asks?
"I only play for a dollar" he replies.
By now the kid is certain he has found a real Guppy as he lines up to break and sinks a low numbered ball.
Not worried at all, the older fellow walks up and lays a few bills on the table. Now the kid is really looking lost, but collects his money and then sinks the one ball. Now, the older fellow approaches and lays a 1 on the table and does the same as the kid sinks the 2 and the three ball.
Now the kid is about to burst as he is convinced he has found a true sucker. The kid is smart enough to realize that if he runs out, he will lose his score, so he misses.
The older fellow walks up and pockets a couple of balls with a goofy looking stroke and bridge. The young Hustler is laughing his ass off, but now Terry and Larry have stopped play to see what is happening.
The kid pays off a couple of balls when the lod fellow misses, but get lucky freezing the cue ball behind another ball. The kid shoots and the older fellow makes a couple more balls, misses, and freezes the cue ball behind another ball. Now the Kid is looking a little concerned, but pays off, then misses again. This time, the old timer runs out.
The kid pays off and racks them and looking vey pissed off.
The old man cracks em, and runs out.
The moral of the story, is be very careful when you decide to hustle UJ Puckett.
 
Another name that I have heard mentioned a few times is Danny Greer. Not sure how well known he is outside the Southeast tho.

Southpaw
 
Hard to argue

freddy the beard said:
Most of the bar-pool-action, hustling moves were invented by Bunny Pots and Pans Rogoff. We all learned from The Rogue (short for Rogoff). Even Jack Cooney studied under Bunny when Jack was living in Miami. Although even before Jack arrived in Miami, he was already a turned out "lemon" hustler. Bunny just polished off a few of Jack's rough edges.

Top Ten List: in no particular order
Bunny Rogoff
Jack Cooney
Earl Schriever
UJ Puckett
Weenie Beenie
Billy Incardona
Sterling Buttermilk Ward
Vernon Eliot
Brooklyn Jimmy Cassas
Minnesota Fats

apologies to those I forgot and left out

the Beard


Hard to argue with your list Fred but I would have to add one to the list. Bill Lawson got your humble $Bill for more than any of um. In the mid 70s I was working a bar in Vicksburg, Miss one Friday night. I was getting all the cash in the joint when this pot bellied guy walks in wearing a pair of grubby overalls with dirty hands and challenges the $10 table we were playing on. Eventually they all quit except this, proclaimed, river boat captain and myself. I had never played better than I did at that time, yet, it seemed every rack I ran this older guy would run two. The thing that kept me playing was the fact that he never totally ran 9 balls. Some where during the run he would fire in a combination on the 9 ball. Once he had the 7,8 and 9 ball left and fired a hard 7-9 combination in instead of making the three balls. If you think this won't keep you at the table you are nuts. Once I put a hat trick on him and he comes back with a 4 pack and three of the four racks were combos. All during the night we kept raising the bet and slowly he proceeded to bust the $Bill. I end up blowing a bit over $1,000 to the guy and would never have known who he was except the following Sunday I made a trip to Baton Rouge to watch the finals of a big tourney down there and guess who was playing Buddy Hall in the finals? You got it, my river boat captain, Bill Lawson. There is no telling how many he stole money from who never had a clue who had just thumped them.
 
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Cardone

Andrew Manning said:
Incardona was a hustler? I've never heard any hustling stories about him, do you have any you could regale us with? Thanks.

-Andrew

Billy Incardona set more traps than Daniel Boone. I am about to bite him because he has big money now so I cant snitch off any more about him.
the Beard
 
freddy the beard said:
That is the do-hickey! Is it available in a clearer copy anywhere?
Where the hell did you find this?
the Beard

I've had it for a while. I couldn't find another version of it anywhere and if I tried to convert it to another format it wouldn't help the quality any.

I really wish I had a better version, but it's still pretty neat.
 
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