Who made this 70's cue? He thought it was a Gus Szamboti...

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Hey guys....here are some pics I took this weekend of a cue that was thought to be a Gus...I emailed Barry and he said "it's not his Dad's cue"...so my friend would like to know who made it...

He told me he bought the cue in the mid 80's from Weldon Rogers....he was told not to sell it so he's played with it ever since....the finish is nearly gone and he told me it looked like that when he bought it...

I don't have any specs but it has a 5/16x14 piloted stainless joint...both shafts have ivory ferrules but only one fits perfect and the other doesn't match perfect at the joint...Weldon told him he had the other shaft made later..he thinks by the original cuemaker...I looked at both shafts and both inserts look the same and the ferrules are both the same length(1 inch?).

The 4 ebony points are very even and sharp...

Hopefully someone out there could help shed some light on who made this nice cue...

Thanks,

Jeremy
 

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My guess

Ringwork looks like Black but his shafts are piloted.

Dick Abbott at Billiardcue.com is another good resource, as is Scot at Proficient.

Both nice guys that will try to help.

Ken
 
Ken_4fun said:
Ringwork looks like Black but his shafts are piloted.

Dick Abbott at Billiardcue.com is another good resource, as is Scot at Proficient.

Both nice guys that will try to help.

Ken
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It is interesting you say Black. Here is a picture from DZCues site. The picture is of shafts he made to match two old ones, one a Joss, and one a Black. I believe the one on the left is the Joss, which looks like the ringwork of the posters cue.

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I can't make out the lettering on the shaft, but I thought with the placement there it would be the Joss?

Kelly
 
I will email Mr. Stroud...

Hopefully he will know if it is one of their early cues...thanks!
 
I have never seen a Joss east, or west with a Szamboti ring. If someone twisted my arm, I would say Black. I know Richard liked that ring alot, and I think 95% him. The other small % would be early Mottey or TS, but its unlikely.
Plus the windows and inlay looks very R. Black.

Joe
 
Jeremy,

Also looks like a Richard Black to me. Very similiar stitching to his early cues...

Steve
 
I will email Richard Black as well....

I really appreciate all the help guys...An early Black cue makes more since to me...I will let everyone know what he says...

Thanks,

Jeremy
 
Not a Joss or a Black

I just got replies from both Bill Stroud and Richard Black...Bill said "no way" and Richard said he doesn't think so but would have to see to be sure...so I guess it's back to the drawing board...

I had a Jensen with this style of ring work once...but that cue was alot newer...oh...who knows...I may email Mike Johnson too....
 
McDaniel

If it definitely isn't a Black or JW, and it predates Mottey (80s), then my guesses would be Joss, Scruggs, Horn, or McDaniel. Any idea how/where Rogers acquired it?

The work looks to be really good and I would think that the more likely candidate is McDaniel since he was building cues in the 70s. We've seen several of his really old cues with that same Szamboti style stitch ring. Haven't seen them on Joss or Scruggs from that era, but that's not to say they didn't use that ring style.

Sean
 
well

If you take pics in a brighter light maybe everyone could see what they might need to to i.d. the thing. Baigio? Nick
Are the points even?
What is the distance from the joint to the wrap?
 
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I'm thinking Joss...

Heya Kbooks3,

Awhile back, I had an "unknown" cue that had some similar design aspects to yours. The ringwork looked very similar, as did the pointwork and buttsleeve trim rings.

Turns out, it was an old Joss from the 1980's. A Nick Varner model, to be specific. Stephen Janes took a look at some pics of the cue, and responded right away with an answer to my mystery. He might be able to do the same with you. As a side note, mine was further identified under the wrap.

Worth a try, at least.

Hope this helps,

Mark (Rat)
 
I'm not the greatest cue afficiano on the fourms, but you think that the windows in the butt would let you know that its not Gus' work. Not his style form the ones that I've seen or is it not that simple.
 
Waiting for replies....

Hey Guys...I sent emails to Joss, Mottey, Mcdaniel, and Jensen...

I will let you know what I they have to say...

Thanks,

Jeremy
 
It's a 70's JOSS cue

Hey I thought I'd let you all know that Dan Janes emailed me back and this cue is indeed a 70's cue of his...Thanks guys for all your help!

Jeremy
 
Now that it has been mentioned, I recall seeing that model either in the new BB or the Billiard Encyclopedia, only the one in the book actually has Varner's named engraved in the butt below the inlays. I think it is the BB off the top of my head in a color picture of cues owned by pros.
 
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