Who Watched THE Match?

The Match...

Just watched 'The Match', Production Value was Excellent, Commentary was lousy, Kevin should stay out of the booth. Maybe have him say something at the start, and at the close, but ongoing commentary, no...and the commentators they had were not very good. Pro Rules, Slow Cloth, 4 1/2 Pockets, blah blah blah...hopefully this will improve going forward...and enough with celebrity interviews during play...

my 2c-
 
catscradle said:
Tell us how you really feel. ;) I think you and I share a common opinion of KT. I was ripped a new a-hole once before when I expressed my opinion of his business ethics (or lack thereof). I'm glad that I'm not alone in my opinion.

It was just KT selling snake oil. Some of em bought it, some of em didn't!
You don't get hit by the tomatoes until ya stand up. FUGGUM if they don't like my opinion, I don't particularly care for theirs. We do have one thing in common, we love to play pool! Thanks;)
Purdman:cool:
 
don't dumb down pool!

The IPT commentary was horrible. Dumbing down pool so the ordinary schmoe can fully comprehend is not the best way to go. Not only does it bore the real pool players that are watching, but there is only so much the ordinary guy can take away from the game. Then it would become boring for everyone.

I say broadcast it exactly the way the accustats tapes are broadcasted...with actual professional commentary and play by play. Sure, the average guy won't understand all that's being said, but that's the best way to get a person interested and peak his curiosity.

Pool is a game with which everyone is familiar with the basic object of the game (hit the balls into the pockets), but basic strategy, execution, and technique are still foreign to most people. Have an ordinary guy watch a pool match with REAL professional commentary (such as an accustats tape), and he won't understand half of what's being said. He'll think, "Wow, there's a lot more to this game than simply banging balls into pockets. What is all this stuff about low-left hand english? What is this 'key ball' thing? Why do they want to break up that cluster right away? How is he on the 'incorrect side' of that ball? How can these broadcasters map out the whole runout just by looking at the spread of balls after the break?"

People who have any remote interest in pool would want to know the answers to these questions (people who are not interested in these questions, i can argue, would be disinterested in pool no matter how it is broadcasted or commented). Ignorance can sometimes be the biggest hook for some people. After a few viewings, these average viewers will steadily increase their pool knowledge, and before you know it, they're hooked. That's exactly how poker became so popular in the past few years. I think pool can be the same way...just don't dumb down the commentary!
 
alstl said:
I missed it, is this going to be televised on a regular basis, and if so where can I find a schedule?

Thanks

http://www.internationalpooltour.com/ipt_content/tv/default.asp

Looks like it will show up on many many channels, including many local cable sports channels.

Actually I think it may just be on too much, I think this is going to be replayed to death in infomercial heaven. The only good thing is I see a few prime time slots on some pretty decent channels, I just hope they don't beat this to death before the real tour starts.
 
World Champions

I think KT was trying to say that these two players are world champion caliber by virtue of Sigel's 9 prior championships and LJJ's 8 championships. I think that he did the right thing to establish a King of the Hill right away so the format for the first year is the same as all to follow. As for the quality of play, remember, we usually see the people who have won and are in stroke at the end of a tournament. We still see the top ten women crumble under the pressure that Corr and Fisher place on their opponents, after dominating the rest of the players. If you watch the Mosconi Cup, you'll see a lot more misses there than you are used to. Plus, the misses are the critical turning points in a game. So they must be shown. We are getting the highlights of a long match and the racks that get strung together are not shown. When is the last time you broke and ran four 8 Ball racks? They said he put together 4 wins in a row at one point, maybe he didn't break and run, I don't know.
I'd love a SAP with a more technical breakdown, maybe Capelle or Hopkins, of the entire match. I never get to see great 8-ball matchups with run out capable players. I am going to enjoy this league.
 
IPT very nice overall...it was nice to see the 2 play again.....what a great payroll they both went home with.....
 
SlimShafty said:
http://www.internationalpooltour.com/ipt_content/tv/default.asp

Looks like it will show up on many many channels, including many local cable sports channels.

Actually I think it may just be on too much, I think this is going to be replayed to death in infomercial heaven. The only good thing is I see a few prime time slots on some pretty decent channels, I just hope they don't beat this to death before the real tour starts.

Thanks for the reply.
 
I think it would be great if they had both kinds of commentary. I think Capelle is very well respected for the serious players to want to listen to his thoughts on strategy in 8 ball. Now, when he would say something a bit technical that the general public doesn't understand then you would have the other guy (whoever that is) relay the simple version of what he is trying to say. They do this in poker. When Mike Sexton says, "He's got a a wired up pair," on the screen on the lower corner there is a very simple explanation of what that means. If you don't want the other guy reiterating it, maybe have the same info box that pops up. It would not only get those that hears this lingo maybe have some sort of interest in learning more, but those boxed explanations also would simplify it to everyone else. I like that commentators use either our slang lingo, or our technical terms. To some people, I think it would add an appeal to learn some of it, like being apart of a club or something.
 
I watched the IPT inaugural match twice - it played back-to-back on FSN on my cable here in the Northeast. I have to say that some elements were good, and others less so...it was something of a missed opportunity overall.

I have a lot of thoughts, let's see if I can organize them

1. Not clear why this was some sort of sub-set of "Best Damn," and not sure why it should be at all; if it needed to be then it needed a better introduction and more involvement from the Best Damn hosts.

2. What's with Mike's entrance along with the bevy of scanty-clads? It was tacky. Yeah, I know its Vegas, but really this had all the class of ...of ....of a championship wrestling match. I'm glad Mike left the vest at home, but still needs a tailor. Loree on the other hand looked very appealing - feminine but purposeful.

3. The strategy of explaining things that are obvious to players, but not to the casual fan is a good one to get them into the game with at least a fundamental understanding. Its done all the time in World Series and Superbowls. The implementation of this strategy was not good though - out-of-context, repetitive, and not using the medium. The big three points to tell folks were: open-table-after-break, 8-ball on break wins, and its ball-in-hand on a scratch. OK, so why not do that upfront, with Kim Davenport narrating over diagrams/graphics? Then, you could get extra points by explaining the "why?" behind each rule (open-table so successful breaker is never locked, 8-ball on break is a rare success because of its position in the rack, and cue ball in kitchen - "behind the line" can reward a scratch which should never occur). Oh yeah, there is no need to put this as what the "pros play" - that's alientating to thousand of amateurs who play these rules and are your core constituency.

4. Nappy cloth is harder? 8-ball is much more difficult that 9-ball? Please. Neither is a factoid, both are opinions. Nappy is different (as grass and astro-turf are different) and can influence how the game is played. 8-ball and 9-ball are different, and the strategies are different as a result. There's no reason to alienate 9-ball fans or those who like fast cloth...

5. KT shouldn't have been in the booth. He should've been interviewed. He should've been more above the fray, more presidential, more commisioner-like. He's also not a very good announcer.

6. Three in the booth is a tough format to handle for the most seasoned pro announcers. It was way too much a challenge in this case.

7. The "sidelines" announcer was attractive and has a good voice & presence, but really do we need to hear from these celebs at all? Show them on camera as part of the glamour of the event by all means - especially if they are intensely concentrated on the match, or reactive to great or missed shots, but they would be bettter seen & not heard.

8. Biggest purse. That's great, but verbally assaulting me with in repeatedly is obnoxious as well as tacky. Show it on the set or in graphics. State it once at the intro, and maybe once more on the last shot, fine. I really got sick of hearing this over and over and over.

9. The match. Quality of play was a bit raggged. KT screaming about it made it worse. It was clear that LJJ was tight - actually best human-interest poignant moment was her saying she was tight as a drum - KT had to scream it at me three more times to completely ruin the effect unfortunately. OK so Mike blew her away...well, not all Superbowls are compelling either.

10. Male v Female theme. Tired. Old-hat. Tennis did this years ago (and with better humor) when it meant something. Unless every IPT match is going to be male-female then I think this theme is better left alone. Who cares that Mike thinks men are better? Mike thinks Mike is better (and with good reason). Loree thinks she's ready for Mike. Leave it at that.

11. Backgrounders. Geez, how about an "up'close-and-personal" type of deal on both players that really tells us something about them? What they are known for? What other top players have to say about them, their stlyes, etc.? Produciton money was spent here, but editorial content was weak.

12. Ad / Sponsorship by KTs book. Tacky in the extreme. Imagine Bud Selig selling his used cars during the World Series! If you want to be big-time, you gotta act big time.

13. The lip-synch deal? I was watching on Hi-Def, and this sometimes happens, but usually resolves itself quickly...some technical glitch here - I'm not the only one who saw this.


On the positive side, the set was OK, the production values were good, the table shots clear. I liked the slow mo replays of Loree's three attempts to get the locked ball off the rail (if there was one, I thought this was the turning point). I liked the enlargement of the ball effect. They did this bettter than typical ESPN/Mitch Laurence production. So, for my money, the technical director should get more work! 8-ball is, I think, an inspired choice of game for the mass appeal factor. Did I mention that LJJ really looked good?

I'm enjoying reading the various opinions on this, and hope to see more posts.
 
ipt woulda been great if they show more racks then commercials. i woulda loved to see some of the outs and not a.c. slater. sure was great seeing those 2 play again.
 
girlwon1 said:
I think it would be great if they had both kinds of commentary. I think Capelle is very well respected for the serious players to want to listen to his thoughts on strategy in 8 ball. Now, when he would say something a bit technical that the general public doesn't understand then you would have the other guy (whoever that is) relay the simple version of what he is trying to say. They do this in poker. When Mike Sexton says, "He's got a a wired up pair," on the screen on the lower corner there is a very simple explanation of what that means. If you don't want the other guy reiterating it, maybe have the same info box that pops up. It would not only get those that hears this lingo maybe have some sort of interest in learning more, but those boxed explanations also would simplify it to everyone else. I like that commentators use either our slang lingo, or our technical terms. To some people, I think it would add an appeal to learn some of it, like being apart of a club or something.
These are all great ideas. Nice post!
 
girlwon1 said:
I think it would be great if they had both kinds of commentary. I think Capelle is very well respected for the serious players to want to listen to his thoughts on strategy in 8 ball. Now, when he would say something a bit technical that the general public doesn't understand then you would have the other guy (whoever that is) relay the simple version of what he is trying to say. They do this in poker. When Mike Sexton says, "He's got a a wired up pair," on the screen on the lower corner there is a very simple explanation of what that means. If you don't want the other guy reiterating it, maybe have the same info box that pops up. It would not only get those that hears this lingo maybe have some sort of interest in learning more, but those boxed explanations also would simplify it to everyone else. I like that commentators use either our slang lingo, or our technical terms. To some people, I think it would add an appeal to learn some of it, like being apart of a club or something.

You were posting as I was, I guess. I like your thoughts of how to do a two-person booth on this type of show, and also thinking on using graphics. Excellent post.
 
I definitely agree.

If KT only uses the advertising for his book for the whole show and doesn't try to get other corporate sponsors, I think that will be a mistake if the long term goal is promote pool and the IPT. People, including myself, will get really tired really quick only seeing him during the commercials and I happen to agree with a lot of what his book states. I don't even want to imagine how people who don't will react.

So hopefully that's just a temporary situation until and if they can get widespread interest generated for pool. If not, I don't know what to think other than that it would be nice to get on the tour for 2007 and bank some money before it goes away.
 
I did not watch it live, but taped it on my DVR. Was very disappointed to how bad Mr. Sigel Pool Form was on many of the shots.

Yes Mr. Sigel won the Big Money, had a Powerful Break.

But personally I did not enjoy the Sigel v/s Jones match as much as watching most of the Ladies 9 Ball Matches on ESPN.

IMO the entire match was a Dog & Pony Show, and not the Best verses the Best.
 
The only thing good about any of that crap was the thongs on the ladies in the opening. Call Pat at Accu-stats he has the only good stuff out their in my opinion...
 
Focus on the positives.

hi guys,

let's focus on the positives that the ipt will bring to the sport of pool. i watched the match; by far, it was not the best pool match up on tv. however, the exposure and the money of pool on tv is how this sport is going to grow. Let's imagine how many young people watching this match and future matches can potentially become the next reyes, strickland, archer, sigel, etc....

the ipt is still a very young organization. there will be plenty of opportunities for the ipt to grow and improve in the future. give it a little time and then, judge it. in the mean time, help promote the sport that we all love.

john
 
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