Don't u just hate it when there are alot of players at pool hall and they have no idea who the pros are,I told this guy that Dennis Orcullo plays jam up or Corey can masse the hell out of this, and they have no idea who they are, just sad ....
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Don't u just hate it when there are alot of players at pool hall and they have no idea who the pros are,I told this guy that Dennis Orcullo plays jam up or Corey can masse the hell out of this, and they have no idea who they are, just sad ....
I hear ya, but the other side of that coin is that you can go to a pool room and walk right up to the top-level pros...even play against them for a modest entry fee, often.
Don't u just hate it when there are alot of players at pool hall and they have no idea who the pros are,I told this guy that Dennis Orcullo plays jam up or Corey can masse the hell out of this, and they have no idea who they are, just sad ....
And how can you tell a pro from a joe? Do they wear a gold star?
Is there a light shinning above their head?
A lot of pros are nothing more than a good amateur or semi-pro.
Name Recognition
Go to an NBA Game or a MLB Game. You could ask any 8 year old about a player,and they will know who,what team,% of FG/RBI's,etc. Most of the millions of pool players who go to bars or rooms don't care about Pro Pool People because they have no connection to them. They see pool for what it is,...Recreation. Kind of like going swimming. Except they have heard of Michael Phelps,maybe.
Your story is not a new one. Not everyone approaches pool with your passion for learning. Do not let that stop you from continuing on. Eventually,you will encounter someone with the same enthusiasm. Let that be your guide.
Go to an NBA Game or a MLB Game. You could ask any 8 year old about a player,and they will know who,what team,% of FG/RBI's,etc. Most of the millions of pool players who go to bars or rooms don't care about Pro Pool People because they have no connection to them. They see pool for what it is,...Recreation. Kind of like going swimming. Except they have heard of Michael Phelps,maybe.
Your story is not a new one. Not everyone approaches pool with your passion for learning. Do not let that stop you from continuing on. Eventually,you will encounter someone with the same enthusiasm. Let that be your guide.
Why should they? Non of them appear in any kind of mainstream media. They don't do commercials or appear on shows like Letterman or Leno. Beyond some google hunt on the net there is not mention of any of these people anywhere beyond the sub-culture of the pool world; to the rest of the world they do not even exist. It is no fault of the players at the pool room these people remain in obscurity.Don't u just hate it when there are alot of players at pool hall and they have no idea who the pros are,I told this guy that Dennis Orcullo plays jam up or Corey can masse the hell out of this, and they have no idea who they are, just sad ....
And how can you tell a pro from a joe? Do they wear a gold star?
Is there a light shinning above their head?
A lot of pros are nothing more than a good amateur or semi-pro.
Get a grip: "a lot of pros are nothing more than a good amateur or semi-pro"
I'll admit that I find it a bit strange, but I think in reality they are two separate things... The game one plays, and the sport one watches.
I know plenty of people who just want to play, and they play enough to be a great amateur or hobby player... But they won't watch tournies, streams, or Youtube videos... They just aren’t interested in watching others... Heck, some don't even know who Efren is. They just aren't into the sport, but they are into playing the game.
Heck these couldn't sit 5 minutes to watch a video for the sake of learning something... They'd rather be at the table getting a lesson, playing a game or match, or practicing shots. In my mind that makes them no less of a pool player, and it's not a detriment to the game or sport of pool.
Some people on the other hand love to play and are also fans of the players and the sport. It's just two different animals, or perhaps different strokes for different folks.
I know plenty of people who just want to play, and they play enough to be a great amateur or hobby player... But they won't watch tournies, streams, or Youtube videos... They just aren’t interested in watching others... Heck, some don't even know who Efren is. They just aren't into the sport, but they are into playing the game.
Heck these couldn't sit 5 minutes to watch a video for the sake of learning something... They'd rather be at the table getting a lesson, playing a game or match, or practicing shots. In my mind that makes them no less of a pool player, and it's not a detriment to the game or sport of pool.
Some people on the other hand love to play and are also fans of the players and the sport. It's just two different animals, or perhaps different strokes for different folks.
Thanxz Cajunfats, I'm on accustats DVD of the month watch YouTube and play alot, but ya some people don't know who Efren is or Sarah Rouse Klatt,I once had a technical issue i called customer service of course in India lol, got to talking to guy and he said oh yes Efren bat a Reyes I love him lol, the a cab driver in Cali also said he knew alot of the pinoys nice!but getting back to thread, I don't think pros need gold medallions u just know he's a pro, like Bruce lee see belts are only good to hold up pants, now some of u may not know who he is cuz ure no martial artist :thumbup:
Could the male pros do more to ensure the apathy of the casual pool fans?
The ABP is the most recent reminder that the pros are only looking after themselves. As we all saw, the ABP sought no input from fans, promoters or sponsors when they unilaterally devised a new set of tournament standards they insist all must adhere to.
Another issue going on in men's pro pool is that the pros do not usually play the games the amateurs play. Even when they do, they are doing more and more to make the game as unrecognizable to the casual pool player as is humanly possible. A couple of years ago, I sat next to an amateur eight ball player at the Super Billiards Expo pro 10-ball event. The look on their face as they watched one of the pros miss the ten ball three consecutive times without their opponent ever shooting was priceless. They asked me what was going on and I explained that sometimes you kept shooting even though you missed. The look I got from them was one of befuddlement and it was clear they were wondering whether they were, in fact, watching pool.
Then there are the pros who see no harm in chopping rather than playing the final in front of paying fans, as just happened at the Fury 14.1 challenge in March.
I am a diehard, so I'll always watch and financially support the pro game. Nonetheless, I think the behavior of the pros and their relative disregard for the promoters, fans, and sponsors, and for the general health of their sport is disheartening for me.
Why would the casual amateur pool player have any interest at all in the male pros? I am always amazed when posters on this forum suggest that amateur pool players should be the ones financing pro pool. Why should they and, more to the point, why would they?
The ABP is the most recent reminder that the pros are only looking after themselves. As we all saw, the ABP sought no input from fans, promoters or sponsors when they unilaterally devised a new set of tournament standards they insist all must adhere to.
Another issue going on in men's pro pool is that the pros do not usually play the games the amateurs play. Even when they do, they are doing more and more to make the game as unrecognizable to the casual pool player as is humanly possible. A couple of years ago, I sat next to an amateur eight ball player at the Super Billiards Expo pro 10-ball event. The look on their face as they watched one of the pros miss the ten ball three consecutive times without their opponent ever shooting was priceless. They asked me what was going on and I explained that sometimes you kept shooting even though you missed. The look I got from them was one of befuddlement and it was clear they were wondering whether they were, in fact, watching pool.
Then there are the pros who see no harm in chopping rather than playing the final in front of paying fans, as just happened at the Fury 14.1 challenge in March.
I am a diehard, so I'll always watch and financially support the pro game. Nonetheless, I think the behavior of the pros and their relative disregard for the promoters, fans, and sponsors, and for the general health of their sport is disheartening for me.
Why would the casual amateur pool player have any interest at all in the male pros? I am always amazed when posters on this forum suggest that amateur pool players should be the ones financing pro pool. Why should they and, more to the point, why would they?
Don't u just hate it when there are alot of players at pool hall and they have no idea who the pros are,I told this guy that Dennis Orcullo plays jam up or Corey can masse the hell out of this, and they have no idea who they are, just sad ....
I don't know who they are myself. Don't much care at this point either.
I don't know why that would be "sad" either.
I met some pros who didn't know squat about cues actually (except how to use them and whether or not they liked the one in their hands). Is that sad?
Is it "sad" that people might just like to play pool?
Is there some kind of requirement that there be more to it?
Maybe it's sad when people put too much value in celebrity or follow every move of "pros".
I dunno...
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Oh, and to the OP...I'm new to pool and I only know the big names like archer, reyes, strickland etc.
I've learned them kuz of this site and ended up buying dvds of them playing otherwise I never would have known either.
Why do I know names like duncan, ginobilli, bryant, etc? Because of the televised games and media coverage. Pool has absolutely ZERO exposure. How can I possibly learn about pool pros?
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I've learned them kuz of this site and ended up buying dvds of them playing otherwise I never would have known either.
Why do I know names like duncan, ginobilli, bryant, etc? Because of the televised games and media coverage. Pool has absolutely ZERO exposure. How can I possibly learn about pool pros?
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Under the 10-ball rules used on Tony Robles' Predator Tour:
"If a player calls a shot and misses, the incoming player will have the option to shoot or make his opponent shoot again. No matter how many times a player misses a called shot, failure to pocket that ball legally or wrongfully pocketing the ball in another pocket allows the opposing player the option to shoot or make his opponent shoot again."
These rules were also used for the pro event at Allen Hopkins' Super Billiards Expo in 2011.
I see. I guess the idea is if you miss, and end up playing safe by luck, the other player can make you shoot it?? Or what other purpose would this rule have?
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Don't u just hate it when there are alot of players at pool hall and they have no idea who the pros are,I told this guy that Dennis Orcullo plays jam up or Corey can masse the hell out of this, and they have no idea who they are, just sad ....
Nope don't give a shit now, never did, probably won't
At Large u are correct sir:thumbup: