Whos the best playing instructor?

There are several Top Players that could be great instuctors

backplaying said:
Wow, you have CJ willing to put up 2000 added money. Maybe it could be a handicap tournament, like pro, AA, A, B and C players. I've noticed that many instructors claim most good players are bad teachers. Who are these instructors who play top speed that are bad teachers?
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It would be cool for 8 Instuctors to each pick 4 amateur league players and have them compete in a handicap tournament too. They would be playing for some prize money, but mostly to represent their "coach/instructor" and the top finishes (by points) would win the team THE TITLE of The Best of the Best.

There are several Top Players that could be great instuctors if they chose to take that route. It's just difficult to do both, even when I'm in the teaching mode (like the last year) I have to limit my big money matches and tournaments because my game isn't 100% (from thinking too much):idea2:

I"ve been teaching for most of my life in one way, shape, or form. I was giving tennis lessons when I was 12-15, Marial Arts Training for 24 years (2nd Degree Instuctor), golf lessons for 2 years with Hank Haney (Tiger Woods swing coach for 6 years), NLP and Hypnosis training in Dallas, and of course my Ultimate Pool Secrets Courses and I just finished my newest instructional DVD that's my best work and coming out next month.

Between azbilliards and FaceBook I've made a thousand + Instructional oriented posts this year. I'm now getting into on line video lessons and will be posting my new instuctional series on AZBILLIARDS in 2 Weeks. Stay tuned for that and if you want to send me a video of yourself I'll make your very own DVD outlining how to improve and answering any of your questions....for more info. you can go to my Athlete's Page and "Like it" if you "like it"
 
Roger Long said:
Maybe, but Scott Lee is a professional instructor and an amateur player, while many of the professional players out there who call themselves instructors, are only amateurs when it comes to teaching.

These days, there are a couple of available organizations that certify instructors. Sure the programs are not that difficult to get into, but they have levels of advancement that are not at all easy to reach. Becoming a Master level instructor is probably as difficult as becoming a top-ten professional player.

In answer to the OP's question, however, I think Mark Wilson and Fran Crimi are the only two people who have not only played professionally, but have also reached high levels of instructional certification.

Roger
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Roger, how did you forget Jerry Briesath??
 
I like John Binion as a top instructor/player. The guy clearly plays pro speed. Great player from Detroit
 
I wouldn’t mind being part of something like this but guidelines would be tough as far as who qualifies to get in? How many lessons do they have to have given, etc etc?
I always wanted to see a teach-off but its soo tough because if we had different students all going to a bunch of us it would be tough to say who improved them the most. If there was a way for all of us to have a group of people to work with for a certain amount of time would be nice too.

Let’s not forget Mr Ralph Eckert, if we used a 100 scale for both playing ability and quality of instruction Ralph will be way up there ;)
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
Let's have a tournament and each instructor can put up $2000. and play a round robin, that would be interesting. Straight pool, 9 Ball and one pocket. Someone can come up with a format and "instuctor qualifications" that are fair for everyone.

This would be interesting as a "change of pace" from the normal tournaments. We could get at least 8 players/instructors involved I would think.

I know some pool rooms that would like to host and I'll pitch in 2 Dimes to get some much needed tournament play. I've been on the insructional routine for so long it would be great to play again under pressure.
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I'll put my money on you:smile:
 
Neil said:
Roger, how did you forget Jerry Briesath??
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I don't believe there was anything that could be called a "pro tour" when Jerry played. I'm not ignoring the fact that the man could play very well, I'm just saying that Mark Wilson "qualified" himself as a pro by playing competitively on the PBT, and Fran Crimi "qualified" herself as a pro by playing competitively in the WPBA. Both of these people went on to "qualify" themselves as instructors by becoming accredited by the BCA (now the PBIA). To my knowledge, they are the only two people to distinguish themselves in that exact manner.

I really don't see the sense in threads of this type. Even if it could somehow be proven that a certain player instructs better that others, or that a certain instructor plays better than others, what is the purpose for wanting to prove it?

Roger
 
who has THE BEST baseball team, hotdog brand and who's mom makes the BEST apple pie.

I really don't see the sense in threads of this type. Even if it could somehow be proven that a certain player instructs better that others, or that a certain instructor plays better than others, what is the purpose for wanting to prove it?

Roger[/QUOTE]

Good ole fashioned competition Roger....that's why they have the Superbowl, the World Series, The Triathlons, The World Series of Poker, The Academy Awards, The World Pocket Billiards, Billiards, and Snooker Championships, Scholastic Awards, The Kentucky Derby, etc. America's not just about "baseball, hotdogs and apple pie" it's about who has THE BEST baseball team, hotdog brand and who's mom makes the BEST apple pie. And if it's not about any of those things no one would bother keeping score. :wink: Plus Competition is just good, clean fun. :groucho:
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
I really don't see the sense in threads of this type. Even if it could somehow be proven that a certain player instructs better that others, or that a certain instructor plays better than others, what is the purpose for wanting to prove it?

Roger
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Good ole fashioned competition Roger....that's why they have the Superbowl, the World Series, The Triathlons, The World Series of Poker, The Academy Awards, The World Pocket Billiards, Billiards, and Snooker Championships, Scholastic Awards, The Kentucky Derby, etc. America's not just about "baseball, hotdogs and apple pie" it's about who has THE BEST baseball team, hotdog brand and who's mom makes the BEST apple pie. And if it's not about any of those things no one would bother keeping score. :wink: Plus Competition is just good, clean fun. :groucho:[/QUOTE]

There's still no way it could ever be proven who the best instructor/player is. Your proposed tournament wouldn't prove anything except who the best player is at the time of said tournament. You wouldn't have any way of qualifying the entrants as instructors. For example: Shouldn't the entrants have to show that they use structured lesson outlines, and that they know how to help students set and achieve goals, and that they can spot their weaknesses and prescribe viable solutions, and that they can communicate well with everyone from 10-year-olds to 80-year-olds? (These are just a few of the traits you'll find in any Master level instructor.)

If not, then you should invite any professional player who gives lessons for pay into your tournament. That would make a few guys like Johnny Archer, Buddy Hall, Earl Strickland, Mike Sigel, and Nick Varner, eligible to compete in your proposed contest. Now that's some "good, clean fun" we'd all be interested in seeing! Can we look forward to you inviting them? :smile:

Roger
 
To me, it would be more interesting to have a 'teaching contest'.
All teachers start with 4 APA 2's and have a month to train them....
...then you have a round robin tournament and see who's pupil wins.

A great teacher doesn't necessarily have to be a great player....
..I knew a golf teacher that I could give two aside to...but touring
pros came to see him, not me.

However, if you want a 'great player that teaches' in the mix......
...I present you Alex Pagulayan.....

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...brAAd-Zz5CQHfDthQ&sig2=LoESlakv1LnhWibd96jfZQ
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
I"ve been teaching for most of my life in one way, shape, or form. I was giving tennis lessons when I was 12-15, Marial Arts Training for 24 years (2nd Degree Instuctor), golf lessons for 2 years with Hank Haney (Tiger Woods swing coach for 6 years), NLP and Hypnosis training in Dallas, and of course my Ultimate Pool Secrets Courses and I just finished my newest instructional DVD that's my best work and coming out next month.
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That's it? Phhhhhtttt. And you call yourself an instructor.
 
who's considered an instructor and what are their qualifications.

pt109 said:
To me, it would be more interesting to have a 'teaching contest'.
All teachers start with 4 APA 2's and have a month to train them....
...then you have a round robin tournament and see who's pupil wins.

A great teacher doesn't necessarily have to be a great player....
..I knew a golf teacher that I could give two aside to...but touring
pros came to see him, not me.

However, if you want a 'great player that teaches' in the mix......
...I present you Alex Pagulayan.....

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...brAAd-Zz5CQHfDthQ&sig2=LoESlakv1LnhWibd96jfZQ
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That idea is fine too....the post was about playing so Alex would be welcome of course if he's an instuctor. I would want someone else make the guidelines of who's considered an instructor and what are their qualifications.
 
cjssecrets4u2 said:
That idea is fine too....the post was about playing so Alex would be welcome of course if he's an instuctor. I would want someone else make the guidelines of who's considered an instructor and what are their qualifications.
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Alex is a rookie at instructing but he's sharp as a tack at many things.
I agree with you about guide lines re instructors.....
....anybody can hang out a shingle when it's not organized.

Do you think your musical knowledge is a help to your pool ability?
I had many conversations with a master composer and director who
just happened to be hooked to pool.
He is gone now (rip)but I would have loved to hear you talk with him.

regards
pt
 
On a very deep level all games/sports/arts are connected

pt109 said:
Alex is a rookie at instructing but he's sharp as a tack at many things.
I agree with you about guide lines re instructors.....
....anybody can hang out a shingle when it's not organized.

Do you think your musical knowledge is a help to your pool ability?
I had many conversations with a master composer and director who
just happened to be hooked to pool.
He is gone now (rip)but I would have loved to hear you talk with him.

regards
pt
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The piano probably helped my dexterity and music is very mathmatical. I have described my own pool playing as a way to express myself like a musician or artist.

I think playing championship pool is an art form and a lot of the same rules apply. On a very deep level all games/sports/arts are connected, it's just a matter of knowing how to "build the bridge". 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
Alex Lely: worked in the past 2 years with national selection-players in Russia, Italy, Slovakia, Israel, Netherlands, France, Poland, Luxemburg
degree at Johan Cruyff Institute of sports studies and producer of NLP-hypnosis-DVD for enhancement of concentration in cuesports
snooker-trainers course with terry griffiths
don't know if anybody would cough up two dimes to put me in action, but would be cool
 
plague said:
Alex Lely: worked in the past 2 years with national selection-players in Russia, Italy, Slovakia, Israel, Netherlands, France, Poland, Luxemburg
degree at Johan Cruyff Institute of sports studies and producer of NLP-hypnosis-DVD for enhancement of concentration in cuesports
snooker-trainers course with terry griffiths
don't know if anybody would cough up two dimes to put me in action, but would be cool
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oh saw it was about best playing instructor, thought just about credentials as instructor
not chique to post it myself...just wanted to see myself on a shortlist of instructors

c'mon Europe!!!
 
Some guys already shown up with the statement, that an instructor don t have to be a strong player.
Well even if i can follow this statement: Of ´course he has to be no world-beater. But in my opinion he has to be able to explain something, what he also was/is able to do.

The most important thing is the passion. And the ability to communicate with a student- the relationship between instructor and student is very important!

What definitley helps is, if a student is used to work or practice hard. Without calling names: My *best* (at the moment :p) students atm is on one side someone who studied material arts for a very long time on higher level´, and the other guy played guitar for 12 years. So both know what is necessary:
Heart, Willing, Practice.


So here (just to pick him as example, without rating other guys lesser) C.J. has a brilliant agenda in my opinion.

What also helps and is gold worth is: Guys like C.J. Wiley and also Alex Lely have won championships, big tournaments, world masters etcetera. so these guys know what you need to win..also in those special situations. They have something, what some instructors PERHAPS never be able to teach someone.

just some thoughts,

Ingo
 
Dan Louie...world champ back in the day and probably the best teacher out there...
 
plague said:
oh saw it was about best playing instructor, thought just about credentials as instructor
not chique to post it myself...just wanted to see myself on a shortlist of instructors

c'mon Europe!!!
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The 'Plague from The Hague' is not just an instructor...
1999 World Pool Masters and 2 European 14.1 titles.
 
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