Who's The Most "Creative" Guy?

Pangit

Pangit

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Ya know. Top level Pro that just seems to almost always find a way to wiggle out of a tough spot....or make a ball from a crazy situation?

The easy answer is Efren...20 yrs ago. But I think age is catching up with him?

Today...I would say Corey Deuel? Add in his innovative breaking...the way he reads a rack. I'm thinking who's "second place"?
 
Pangit said:
The easy answer is Efren...20 yrs ago. But I think age is catching up with him?
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To be fair, even seven or eight years ago he was still scary-good at that sort of thing.

I think there will never be anyone else quite like him.

Steve Davis though has pulled some pretty damn creative pool out the hat in the past few years, and he's still not that old, although he is getting on a bit.
 
My vote would be for Corey Deuel. I think Corey one of the most creative pros out there when it comes to getting out of tough spots.
 
Efren will get my vote for back in the days, and Corey is close 2nd, but as of these days I would say Corey just cause Efren has gotten a little old for playing good pool.
 
Efren then, Efren now. Even now, at what 54 he still plays shots that other players only dream about. Just watch the recent money games shown on Youtube or the playing the ghost at Hard Times.
 
asbani said:
Efren will get my vote for back in the days, and Corey is close 2nd, but as of these days I would say Corey just cause Efren has gotten a little old for playing good pool.
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This is funny. Efren still runs out like water flowing down a mountain. He still plays tough against tough champions. There isn't a line of people wanting to play him for big money.

He still holds the most wins for a single player at the DCC.

A little old? I think most people would gladly give up a body part for Efren's B-game even now.
 
JB Cases said:
This is funny. Efren still runs out like water flowing down a mountain. He still plays tough against tough champions. There isn't a line of people wanting to play him for big money.

He still holds the most wins for a single player at the DCC.

A little old? I think most people would gladly give up a body part for Efren's B-game even now.
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I understand that he still plays good, but that wasn't the question of this post as in "if efren still plays good" and I do agree that I would love to have efren's B-game even now aswell, but also this wasn't what we're talking about, but you can't really see him back in the 90's then watch him now and say he's the same player, it's impossible to say this. As of now even unknown players given him the 9 on 10ball match, recent match posted in youtube youngster given efren the 9 on 10ball, he wouldn't do that in the 90's period. Then right after this match up Dennis played the same youngster but now dennis given that dude the 9, so you can see how its viewed even to the pinoys, Granted efren plays great, but not as great as his 90's. I don't know if you still wouldn't agree with this, but thats fine.


P.S: he's not 54, he is almost 59 close to 60, which really speak for him playing that good at that age, so yes he is old for this youngster game
 
Kind of weird to think that over 50 is old.

If you go to Super Billiards Expo to play, the 50 and over amateur group is just as tough as the open amateur. Actually, I prefer the open amateur because I always do better in it.

Now for a couple people to get out of jams while playing-------

Brett Stottlemyer and Rich Nace.

Maybe they are not the normal pro, or big names...but they are big around here.:wink:
 
asbani said:
I understand that he still plays good, but that wasn't the question of this post as in "if efren still plays good" and I do agree that I would love to have efren's B-game even now aswell, but also this wasn't what we're talking about, but you can't really see him back in the 90's then watch him now and say he's the same player, it's impossible to say this. As of now even unknown players given him the 9 on 10ball match, recent match posted in youtube youngster given efren the 9 on 10ball, he wouldn't do that in the 90's period. Then right after this match up Dennis played the same youngster but now dennis given that dude the 9, so you can see how its viewed even to the pinoys, Granted efren plays great, but not as great as his 90's. I don't know if you still wouldn't agree with this, but thats fine.


P.S: he's not 54, he is almost 59 close to 60, which really speak for him playing that good at that age, so yes he is old for this youngster game
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And Efren and the kid played again with no spot and Efren beat him. So what does that tell you? Just because someone spotted Efren in those conditions and won doesn't mean anything. The shot the kid won on was the greatest lucky shot ever made in the history of pool.

No the question was who is the most creative. Then as now it's still Efren. Go ahead and watch the matches against Feliciano and tell me which player is more creative, which player plays better patterns, which player controls their cue ball better? It's Efren all the way.

Which player gets luckier in the set? Feliciano 100%

Even if Efren isn't as sharp as he was in the 90s he is still more creative than all the other players. But for that matter Efren's biggest wins didn't come in the 90s. They came in the 2000's following his World Championship in 1999.
 
JB Cases said:
Efren then, Efren now. Even now, at what 54 he still plays shots that other players only dream about. Just watch the recent money games shown on Youtube or the playing the ghost at Hard Times.
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Efren is 59, not 54. Still, at the cusp of 60, he's still amazing, and yes, I'd give a body part just to have his "B" game.

-Sean
 
I vote for Corey because.....well face it folks........Efren just always got lucky :wink:!!!

Earl would agree :thumbup:.

Maniac (easy there Efren fans, ya gotta know I'm J/K, right???)
 
What makes pool a "youngster" game? Sorry but Mike Lebron, Buddy Hall, Mosconi, and others have won major titles after 50.

Cowboy Jimmy Moore reportedly ran 100 balls on his 80th birthday and would run that many every day.

Maybe stamina or eyesight or muscle pain might be hindering factors but as long as a player can see well, is fit enough to stay focused and feels good there is no reason they can't play near their best.

Anyway, don't count Efren out just yet. I bet he still has a few big ones left in him.
 
JB Cases said:
Efren then, Efren now. Even now, at what 54 he still plays shots that other players only dream about. Just watch the recent money games shown on Youtube or the playing the ghost at Hard Times.
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I agree 100%, Efren is the most creative and has been for many years. He comes up with shots and kicks that nobody else even thinks about. I heard Jim Wych say on one of the latest Accu-stats videos that if he's playing Efren and Efren pushes out there's no way he's giving it back to him because he knows Efren has a good plan on what to do. I've watched Efren for many years on Accu-stats and in person and he comes up with some of the most amazing shots and ideas of any player i've ever seen play. He may not win as much as he used to, but his mind is very sharp on what to do and he usually gets the best of his safeties and creative shots.

James
 
poolguy4u said:
Kind of weird to think that over 50 is old.

If you go to Super Billiards Expo to play, the 50 and over amateur group is just as tough as the open amateur. Actually, I prefer the open amateur because I always do better in it.

Now for a couple people to get out of jams while playing-------

Brett Stottlemyer and Rich Nace.

Maybe they are not the normal pro, or big names...but they are big around here.:wink:
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Yea I'll second Brett Stottlemyer I guess for the non-pro? (not sure he is a full time pro) I've seen him play here in Baltimore and he has one hell of a stroke and thought process to get himself out of jams. For the most creative pros I think people have definitely been getting it right with #1 Efren, #2 Deuel.
 
Efren looked at me, with a sparkle in his eye and said....

SCCues said:
I agree 100%, Efren is the most creative and has been for many years. He comes up with shots and kicks that nobody else even thinks about. I heard Jim Wych say on one of the latest Accu-stats videos that if he's playing Efren and Efren pushes out there's no way he's giving it back to him because he knows Efren has a good plan on what to do. I've watched Efren for many years on Accu-stats and in person and he comes up with some of the most amazing shots and ideas of any player i've ever seen play. He may not win as much as he used to, but his mind is very sharp on what to do and he usually gets the best of his safeties and creative shots.

James
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I played Efren many times in the 90s (tournaments and for Big Money), and from the information I was privy to Efren's key to his creativity came from 'One Rail Billiards' expertise. If you can play his level of One Rail Billiards it opens up a whole new dimension in playing any pool game.

For example:

Efren told me he played the 3 Cushion Champion, Sang Lee, a gambling match of 'One Rail Billiards', Sang Lee would run 12, Efren would run 14, Sang Lee would run 14, Efren would run 15. This went on all night and Efren "edged" him out for the "cash".

They made arrangements to play more the next night, however, Sang Lee "forgot" to show up for the match. Efren looked at me, with a sparkle in his eye and said "I average 28, I run 30 any time I want, and my high run is 281."

CJ Wiley 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
To accurately reply to the sense of the OP's question, the question really has to be broken down to two distinctly different categories:

-- Getting out of "tough spots" while being commercially recorded, streamed or broadcast and all the world able to see your creativity, compared to . . .

-- Getting out of "tough spots" while gambling high (which relatively few in the general pool population have ever gotten to see). This category would bring in not only top professionals who gamble often, but also many non-pro names, past and present, around the country (and the world) who dependably were/are uncannily creative for the cash.

Arnaldo
 
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