Snooker?In terms of snooker cues, yes. European 9 ball players probably import their cues from the US or China.
I thought you were talking about pool. Ever heard of Michael Vollmer? Thorsten Hohmann? That's $1,000. You want my paypal address?
Snooker?In terms of snooker cues, yes. European 9 ball players probably import their cues from the US or China.
Neither of these people are top european snooker players. They're not even on the pro tour. US pool players from EU are obviously going to use US pool cues, but that really is a niche cue sport in EU. My original question was why EU cue makers use butterfly splices but US use sharp points. I wasn't trying to be controversial. This forum isn't half getting unpleasantSnooker?
I thought you were talking about pool. Ever heard of Michael Vollmer? Thorsten Hohmann? That's $1,000. You want my paypal address?
I was talking about hand spliced cues with rounded points, not machine cut rounded points. But, either way, I wasn't asking about what you gave a rat's ass about, just wondered if anyone knew why european cue makers mostly use rounded points. Having looked at a couple of the snooker forums, they seem to suggest there is a lot of skill in getting even rounded points. But, as you say, in the US they have the exact opposite view. Given that most cues nowadays are produced on mass, you would have thought that if one way was easier, everyone would be making cues the same way.I'll let ya know when i give a rat's ass what Euro players think of sharp points. Seriously????? Until CNC equip. came on the scene sharp points were the sign of quality. To many they still are even though the CNC-made rounded points are just as good. They just look cheap to most players.
Another thread poses the question of whether points affect hit/feel. My question is how/why did full splice cues happen to develop in the first place. I was told, as a child, that the purpose of the full splice was to provide a way to cushion, or diffuse, the impact of a cue. (Why are cues made like that? Why not a solid piece of wood?) I was never sure whether the goal was to lessen the impact on the player or the cue ball, but even then I wondered why such a small force would require such a complex structural modification. Later on, I heard that full splices were created to prevent or correct warping.
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Snooker or pool? Snooker cues tend to have rounded 'points' because they are planed to a round shape by hand. Most production pool cues are made by CNC and the points are almost always rounded off.I was talking about hand spliced cues with rounded points, not machine cut rounded points. But, either way, I wasn't asking about what you gave a rat's ass about, just wondered if anyone knew why european cue makers mostly use rounded points. Having looked at a couple of the snooker forums, they seem to suggest there is a lot of skill in getting even rounded points. But, as you say, in the US they have the exact opposite view. Given that most cues nowadays are produced on mass, you would have thought that if one way was easier, everyone would be making cues the same way.
I was thinking of snooker cues. Just wondering why there are different conventions for each. Tbh this forum attracts so much BS, I'll ask on The Snooker Forum instead so no need to replySnooker or pool? Snooker cues tend to have rounded 'points' because they are planed to a round shape by hand. Most production pool cues are made by CNC and the points are almost always rounded off.
The butterfly splice is simple....I was told you can do it with a handsaw.Neither of these people are top european snooker players. They're not even on the pro tour. US pool players from EU are obviously going to use US pool cues, but that really is a niche cue sport in EU. My original question was why EU cue makers use butterfly splices but US use sharp points. I wasn't trying to be controversial. This forum isn't half getting unpleasant
Neither of these people are top european snooker players. They're not even on the pro tour. US pool players from EU are obviously going to use US pool cues, but that really is a niche cue sport in EU. My original question was why EU cue makers use butterfly splices but US use sharp points. I wasn't trying to be controversial. This forum isn't half getting unpleasant
In general, snooker cuemaking in the UK/Europe are so stuck in "tradition" that it has failed to progress and improve over time. Many don't even use a lathe.Splicing means you can add a heavier wood in the butt. Snooker cues use heavy woods, like ebony, to increase the weight without having to bore in and insert metal weights. Plain maple or Ash would be too light without adding weights. Also, it looks better. What I don't understand is why pool cues are made with sharp points, rather than having the rounded fingers of a hand spliced snooker cue. In europe sharp points in 'machine spliced' cues are looked at very negatively, and you wouldn't see any player of any quality with one.
There isn't one single school for snooker. There is a tour qualifying event called Q-School but it isn't an actual school, it's just the name of a tournament series. There are academies where young players play each other, but there are many different coaches who don't all teach the same thing. Have you actually watched any snooker? Have you been to England or China and visited one of these academies? Have you spoke yo pro snooker players who told you about this school that churns out production line players? I have watched snooker for 30+ years and spoken to pros and top coaches, and snooker players all have different stances and strokes.Vollmer Cues - Michael Vollmer | Büdingen
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Top notch cuemaker from Germany. Not China. You never heard of Michael Vollmer?
Regarding snooker I'm guessing the brits all use the same style of cue for the same reason they all have the same stance. They go to a school to get on the tour and the school pushes them in a certain direction. They also don't put the chalk on the rail even if they are paying pool in the USA because the school tells them not to put the chalk on the rail. Deviation from the norm is not encouraged.
B'wick full-splice cues go all the way back to around 1900. Titleist name dates to the 40's.Well old Titlists are great IMHO. Most date back to 1950's & before.
Old Wood has unique feel. JMHO
Vollmer is a cuemaker. Not a snooker player. He is from Germany. He makes cues with sharp points. The $1,000 you owe me wouldn't buy a Vollmer cue but I knew you weren't going to pay when you said you would.There isn't one single school for snooker. There is a tour qualifying event called Q-School but it isn't an actual school, it's just the name of a tournament series. There are academies where young players play each other, but there are many different coaches who don't all teach the same thing. Have you actually watched any snooker? Have you been to England or China and visited one of these academies? Have you spoke yo pro snooker players who told you about this school that churns out production line players? I have watched snooker for 30+ years and spoken to pros and top coaches, and snooker players all have different stances and strokes.
With the chalk, generally they don't leave it on the table as that's a tradition thing. Some players do though, including Ding Junhui.
I hadn't heard of Michael Vollmer, but you bet $1000 that you could name a top European snooker player who used a cue with sharp points. Michael Vollmer isn't a snooker player, so I don't get your point on that one.
I said I'd give you 1k when you name a top european snooker player who uses a cue with sharp points. The good thing about a forum like this, is that it's all in writing. Still waiting.Vollmer is a cuemaker. Not a snooker player. He is from Germany. He makes cues with sharp points. The $1,000 you owe me wouldn't buy a Vollmer cue but I knew you weren't going to pay when you said you would.
Ken Doherty uses a 4/5 jointed warped machine-spliced cue. Won the 1997 world championships with the thing.I said I'd give you 1k when you name a top european snooker player who uses a cue with sharp points. The good thing about a forum like this, is that it's all in writing. Still waiting.
I said I'd give you 1k when you name a top european snooker player who uses a cue with sharp points. The good thing about a forum like this, is that it's all in writing. Still waiting.