Why are there so few black pro players..?

Perfect answer.

Outside of a cultural anthropologist, maybe a marketing or advertising person, I am not sure why it would matter much to most. Maybe a "black studies" professor...

I would ask if anybody here spends much of any time thinking about it. If so, why?

Interesting to note that pool is very accessible to the general public, but it seems most tables outside pool halls are in bars. My old university had a great pool hall filled with Gold Crowns. They took it out.

Do recreation centers still have pool halls? Our local bowling alley has a couple tables, but they are crap.

Demographics and pool is interesting, but who sits around thinking about it unless it's their job?
You just thought about it.
 
I think it's an interesting topic worth discussion. Similar to the question of why there are so few Black American baseball players relative to 30+ years ago. In both cases there is surely a cultural component worth exploring/discussing. If you're not interested in the topic, then leave the thread. But my guess this is that you're using this thread as an opportunity to jam your political thoughts into a discussion that doesn't need it.
People are afraid to talk about things. The baseball thing is simple: Travel ball is expensive and young boys can't play catch with themselves.
 
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We used to run into Kenny Brisbon and his teams out of Detroit quite a bit. He was an absolute class act! Loved seeing him at tourneys. He was the model "amateur" player and he collected quite a few scalps of professional players over the years. Sadly, he passed away a couple of years ago.
 
Maybe the closing of Boys n Girls Club where kids played Pool is reason less minority Kids in USA grt to play Pool.

Know in Phoenix the Boys n Girls Clubs got rid of Pool tables.

Kids had little intrest in Pool, they noted to Video games.
 
So with a post count of about 200, it's clear that you probably haven't been around the game a very long time, and you don't know the history of where the real money was. Ever heard of Cisero Murphy?
A persons post count on an Internet forum indicates how long they have been playing pool? 😳
 
This is quickly turned into another 'woke' NPR subject. Look, there just aren't many. The how's/why's and whatever socio bullshit one can read into this is a waste of time.
 
I created a Wikipedia page for Cisero Murphy many years ago. I'm proud to say it was honored in the Did You Know section of Wikipedia, which is only granted to some Wiki articles

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisero_Murphy

Strawberry and Keith McCready. Photo taken a year before Strawberry passed away. Strawberry and Left-Handed Kevin had cameo appearances in "The Wire" TV series when it was filmed in Baltimore.

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Left-Handed Kevin and Melvin Williams, who plays The Deacon in "The Wire."

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What an honor to be able to do that for Cisero Murphy!

Great picture of Keith & Strawberry! Thanks for sharing that!

I didn’t know that about the cameo appearances on “The Wire.” I’m going to have to go back and rewatch that!

The Wire and Breaking Bad… two of my favorites!

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Maybe the closing of Boys n Girls Club where kids played Pool is reason less minority Kids in USA grt to play Pool.

Know in Phoenix the Boys n Girls Clubs got rid of Pool tables.

Kids had little intrest in Pool, they noted to Video games.
Was it you that was donating cues for kids at a club? Still doing that?

I have a brand new cue I would like to give to a kid. Looking for a needy kid.
 
Was it you that was donating cues for kids at a club? Still doing that?

I have a brand new cue I would like to give to a kid. Looking for a needy kid.


Nope that was 10 years plus ago, and those Boys and Girls Clubs put their Pool Tables in dumpster.

Think they even closed a couple of locations.

Money problems.
 
Growing up in LA in the 60's, the great action rooms were located in the inner city pool rooms. I played in all of them. As rent became an issue, these rooms began closing to the point where now there's maybe only one room left. But the same can be said for pool rooms in general. I visit my son in Columbia SC and there are no rooms in a predominantly black city. Why?? It's just not as popular as it once was.
 
of course it isnt. it is built around gambling. and few gamble at pool anymore so it stands to reason it falls off the map.

all the black regulars that ive ever seen all gambled at pool. as well as most in the poolrooms that hung out and played better.

turn poker into a fun game and see what happens to it.
 
What an honor to be able to do that for Cisero Murphy!

Great picture of Keith & Strawberry! Thanks for sharing that!

I didn’t know that about the cameo appearances on “The Wire.” I’m going to have to go back and rewatch that!

The Wire and Breaking Bad… two of my favorites!

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Left-handed Kevin had a longer speaking role than Strawberry. Strawberry is the street person who gives a clean urine to one of the characters because they were being tested, if memory serves me right. If you didn't know it was Strawberry, you'd miss it. I also loved Breaking Bad.

Here's a snipper from a December 2006 Washington Post article about Strawberry: Rarely entering official contests, he preferred after-hours matches against such major pool talent as Grady Mathews, Richie Florence and Bill Staton. He also was a favorite at private, invitation-only games filled with millionaires looking for gambling action."

Until the late 1960s, Black players were widely prohibited from professional tournaments. [Steve] Booth wrote that "even when the color barrier was finally broken, many of them, like Strawberry, still avoided making the switch to tournament play because frankly, they could make more money 'undercover.'"

Lorraine Rudolph, a club singer and the second of Brooks's three wives, said Brooks told her that he got his nickname as a child when he and friends stole their lunch from grocery stores. Assigned the drinks, he always took strawberry pop.

As a young man, he was a regular at pool halls near the Howard Theater. He learned a lot from players known only as "Napoleon" and "Mr. Perfect." Brooks did well at straight pool, but, as he liked to say, "you can make money playing nine-ball, but you can get rich playing one-pocket." He spent the next three years training himself before emerging as a dominant one-pocket player.

In his 73 years, Melvin "Strawberry" Brooks was many things -- an Army veteran, an operator of after-hours social clubs, a ladies man with at least nine children, an unpredictable but often loyal friend, a criminal twice jailed on drug-related charges, and a Muslim convert called Askia El Amin.

At his wake, Brooks was placed in a coffin with an unscrewed, custom-made pool cue worth thousands of dollars and a folded American flag.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...ol-player-goes-from-hustling-to-hall-of-fame/

Strawberry's Find-a-Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/17866554/melvin-"strawberry"-brooks

OnePocket.org Hall of Fame page for Strawberry: https://onepocket.org/StrawberryHOFpage.htm
 
It's a money game, a class game, a privilege game (privilege takes many shapes and forms - from a shove in the right direction, to fully fledged hand holding).

Numbers corespondend to the opportunity that is both presented, and afforded to, certain people (as well as types of people).

Yep and a big part of it is called Sponsorship!
 
There's an excellent article written by Mike Geffner about Cisero Murphy in the Village Voice, entitled "Murphy's Law," December 13, 1994. It delves into the segregation of Black pool players at one time. Mr. Geffer said one tournament allowed Cisero to compete because of his last name being Murphy. They thought he was Irish. He competed and won. Years later, he was admitted into the BCA Hall of Fame in 1995, a year before he passed.

Pool as a professional sport was not available to many Black pool players at one time. It was not welcoming to women, either. Today, of course, times have changed.

I created a Wikipedia page for Cisero Murphy many years ago. I'm proud to say it was honored in the Did You Know section of Wikipedia, which is only granted to some Wiki articles: "Did you know that Cisero Murphy was the first African American professional pocket billiards player to ever win a World or U.S. National billiard title?"

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisero_Murphy

Growing on in the DC pool scene, we have many Black pool players who could at one time outrun the nuts of any champion that came to town. DC's Melvin "Strawberry" Brooks, the best in DC at one time, founded the Capital City Classic in an effort to create a venue for players of all caliber and race. Many of these Black players today are what I call "unsung heroes" because they were well known in the American pool world but much preferred to fly under the radar. They realized and were correct that you could make much more money gambling and staying in action than attending pool tournaments. Tin cups and titles were not as attractive to some. Names that come to mind at the time of this writing are Bus Driver Ronnie, Patcheye, "John Henry," Jake and his Uncle Nate, Bugs, Left-handed Kevin, Cecil Tugwell, Marvin Henderson, Youngblood, Ike Runnels, Sterling, Eddie Brown, et cetera. Cliff Joyner did dip his toe in pool tournaments, but he was definitely no stranger to action.

Interestingly, there is an excellent article about James Evans, relatively unknown Black pool great, in Billiards Digest written by Mike Geffner, but I can't find it. It explains a lot about the Black pool community many moons ago.

Strawberry and Keith McCready. Photo taken a year before Strawberry passed away. Strawberry and Left-Handed Kevin had cameo appearances in "The Wire" TV series when it was filmed in Baltimore.

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Left-Handed Kevin and Melvin Williams, who plays The Deacon in "The Wire."

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The great one Gabby out of Houston!!
 
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