KJ Cues said:
Just think....in that time, you might have been able to face 4 or so shafts so the rings would line up. :smile: Sorry....couldn't resist. LMAO
Why don't all cuemakers line up ring work at the joint?
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Just think....in that time, you might have been able to face 4 or so shafts so the rings would line up. :smile: Sorry....couldn't resist. LMAO
bandido said:
The idea is good Arnot and I did consider such configuration before I opted for the above. I just don't feel comfortable with the structural strength of the wood material left between the bottom cavity of the joint pin and the internal diameter of the collar.
Good idea that just needs redimensioning of the components.
One thing I have understood from the very beginning is that there are many ways of accomplishing the same task. But each one is a "trade off" of something.
An example is that if a cuemaker builds a sneaky pete the advantage is that the cue looks like a house cue. The disadvantage is that there are no collars to reinforce the joints. If collars are added then the cue gains the strength and loses the aesthetic value of the house cue look. It boils down to chosing your poison.
Too many inlays in the forearm of a cue cut away the structural integrity of a cue but it looks nice. If you are a collector and never plan to hit a ball with the cue that's ok but if you plan to use the cue for years then you might consider buying a less ornate cue. Again, your choice.
This custom cuemaker tries to please himself and the customer. That is not always possible. I will always please the customer unless the customer's design is not good for the cue. If I think it will not be durable or will break or otherwise reflectly badly on me then I decline to build the cue. That is my decision and mine alone. If I refulse to build the cue then the trade off is that I lose the order and another cuemaker gets the money. To me that's ok - I can't always please everybody but I try.
As far as this joint is concerned I don't think there is a problem; in fact the cue has held up for over 10 years of play.
Good Cuemaking,
Didn't say that there was a problem with that Arnot and did actually say that the idea was good. I did say though that "I" don't feel comfortable with its components' dimensions and thus the reason for why I ended up with what I did for Mark Tadd's cue's joint construction design.
Reasons that have influenced my design of the joint area:
1. I just have seen too many forearms broken where the joint pin cavity ends due to falls from accidental bumps that sends a cue splat on the floor.
and
2. I don't expect a player in deep concntration/focus to be worrying about the safety of his cue.
I just mentioned such since this configuration was offered as a possible solution/alternative to answer the issue presented by the OP. Quite possibly other CMs here may try it so I explained my decision on the configuration I took to somewhat decrease the possibility of fellow cuemakers and their receipient-client from possible disappointment.
Never did say that I thought that your build technique was wrong.
Edwin Reyes
Reasons that have influenced my design of the joint area:
1. I just have seen too many forearms broken where the joint pin cavity ends due to falls from accidental bumps that sends a cue splat on the floor.
and
2. I don't expect a player in deep concntration/focus to be worrying about the safety of his cue.
I just mentioned such since this configuration was offered as a possible solution/alternative to answer the issue presented by the OP. Quite possibly other CMs here may try it so I explained my decision on the configuration I took to somewhat decrease the possibility of fellow cuemakers and their receipient-client from possible disappointment.
Never did say that I thought that your build technique was wrong.
Edwin Reyes
bandido said:
I understand what you said but it seems to me that there is a cavity or space or place where the end of the screw meets the bottom of the hole in every cue whether it has collars, no collars, steel collars or whatever. Your configuration has the same issue.
Good Cuemaking,
If there is one thing I've learned in my time here on AZ. We have perfected the art of beating a dead horse, better than I ever thought it was possible. Days ago we said it all. Some line up the lines & some don't & they have their reasons. Buy what you like & we can all sleep better...JER
It's become apparent to me that I have mistakenly offered an opinion to a poster's question which has offended a group of individuals that really doesn't want to hear ANY opinion that differs from their's. The lynch-mob mentality has made that crystal clear. In the end, if you're not going to be able to handle the answer, then don't ask the question.
I offered an opinion to a poster's question and I've had to defend my opinion, in what seems like every other post since and I'm done with it.
To those considering the offering of an opinion to a poster that asks what appears to be an innocent question; BEWARE.
There are those who will attack your opinion, slander your name and do what ever it takes to dis-credit you, your abilities and things that you know to be true for no other reason than, you didn't offer the anticipated answer. It wasn't what the masses wanted to hear so you obviously must be wrong.
I'm not about to retract anything I've stated in my opinion to the OP's question because it's what I believe to be true. If it doesn't agree with you, that's not my problem.
The only apology that I'm going to offer is to Dave Sutton. Hindsight says that I didn't have to stoop to that level. However, the cause for making that statement wasn't without reason. Dave placed himself in the forefront of the charge to call my abilities into question because I didn't agree with the universal alignment of deco rings : "must be laziness or lack of knowledge". Be assured that it's neither but how ambitious is it to let your iPhone creat the words(?) that you will post?
Maybe it's just the iPhone that doesn't spell so well because Dave has shown that when he wants to take the time & effort to actually write his posts, the spelling is quite readable.
The only glimmer of hope is that there are still a few CMs that reside here that have enough enlightenment about them that they have the quality of an open mind. They are in the minority, but they are the real true strength of the 'Cue Makers' section and they have my respect. To those select few, I wish you all the luck that I'm capable of offering. You're going to need it.
So, if you all will excuse me, I've got things to do. I doubt that I'll be offering many more opinions/responses to a poster's questions because they don't seem to be needed or wanted anyway. By all means, carry on with your bash-fest. You'll just have to do it without me. "Eddy, we no longer miss you, you have been replaced". No thank you boys & girls, no thank you.
Eric,
Apology accepted. Have a great life and keep on building great cues.
And be sure to build them anyway you want to. KJ
I offered an opinion to a poster's question and I've had to defend my opinion, in what seems like every other post since and I'm done with it.
To those considering the offering of an opinion to a poster that asks what appears to be an innocent question; BEWARE.
There are those who will attack your opinion, slander your name and do what ever it takes to dis-credit you, your abilities and things that you know to be true for no other reason than, you didn't offer the anticipated answer. It wasn't what the masses wanted to hear so you obviously must be wrong.
I'm not about to retract anything I've stated in my opinion to the OP's question because it's what I believe to be true. If it doesn't agree with you, that's not my problem.
The only apology that I'm going to offer is to Dave Sutton. Hindsight says that I didn't have to stoop to that level. However, the cause for making that statement wasn't without reason. Dave placed himself in the forefront of the charge to call my abilities into question because I didn't agree with the universal alignment of deco rings : "must be laziness or lack of knowledge". Be assured that it's neither but how ambitious is it to let your iPhone creat the words(?) that you will post?
Maybe it's just the iPhone that doesn't spell so well because Dave has shown that when he wants to take the time & effort to actually write his posts, the spelling is quite readable.
The only glimmer of hope is that there are still a few CMs that reside here that have enough enlightenment about them that they have the quality of an open mind. They are in the minority, but they are the real true strength of the 'Cue Makers' section and they have my respect. To those select few, I wish you all the luck that I'm capable of offering. You're going to need it.
So, if you all will excuse me, I've got things to do. I doubt that I'll be offering many more opinions/responses to a poster's questions because they don't seem to be needed or wanted anyway. By all means, carry on with your bash-fest. You'll just have to do it without me. "Eddy, we no longer miss you, you have been replaced". No thank you boys & girls, no thank you.
Eric,
Apology accepted. Have a great life and keep on building great cues.
And be sure to build them anyway you want to. KJ
I hate to see you quit posting on here because of the bashing that goes on. To be honest with you I have seen a good bit of cuemakers through the years quit posting on here, or rarely post because of the bashing. I have had some disagreements on here with cuemakers over methods and such myself. But that does not bother me as much as seeing this forum being used for a purpose other than what it was intended for. This is the "ASK THE CUEMAKER" forum. So my understanding of the original intent is that it is NOT the "Ask the buyer", "Ask the collector", "Ask those who may some day build a cue", or "Ask those whose who just love to fight" forum. The original intention for this forum was for people to ask cuemakers questions and for cuemakers to answer them. Much of the flaming on this forum comes from non-cuemakers. Then once the non-cuemaker flaming starts, cuemakers get defensive and start bickering with each other. I think the cuemakers start to feel like they will get a bad reputation if they can't prove their way best and it esculates to where some who had been friends for years will barely talk to each other anymore if at all. Let's be adults and not feel so insecure.KJ Cues said:
Kj..???
"That's a shame"... As the saying goes..:frown:
KJ is pretty smart as a machinist and has lots of infomation that some of us still want to hear.
It's good to hear everyone's opinion.
It covers the topic from every angle, so we can see the whole picture and decide for ourselves.
Just don't get personnal hard feelings with each other and give up contributing here..
There are lots of us who might not say anything, but, we are still reading to learn more..
Thanks...
Wasn't it Bruce Lee who said, "Learn everything, keep what works for you"...
KJ Cues said:
"That's a shame"... As the saying goes..:frown:
KJ is pretty smart as a machinist and has lots of infomation that some of us still want to hear.
It's good to hear everyone's opinion.
It covers the topic from every angle, so we can see the whole picture and decide for ourselves.
Just don't get personnal hard feelings with each other and give up contributing here..
There are lots of us who might not say anything, but, we are still reading to learn more..
Thanks...
Wasn't it Bruce Lee who said, "Learn everything, keep what works for you"...
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cueman said:
Thanks Chris - I think you hit the nail on the head. I also wonder sometimes who these people are who don't list their names and addresses and phone numbers. I think they would be a lot more careful if they would use their own names etc.
I personally am trying to be more tactful - it sure is hard
CueCaps said:
Thanks for this. I have never considered a comparison between the different approaches to cue making and the different styles of the martial arts, but your comment got me to thinking about it.
"I have not invented a "new style," composite, modified or otherwise that is set within distinct form as apart from "this" method or "that" method. On the contrary, I hope to free my followers from clinging to styles, patterns, or molds. Remember that Jeet Kune Do is merely a name used, a mirror in which to see "ourselves". . . Jeet Kune Do is not an organized institution that one can be a member of. Either you understand or you don't, and that is that. There is no mystery about my style. My movements are simple, direct and non-classical. The extraordinary part of it lies in its simplicity. Every movement in Jeet Kune-Do is being so of itself. There is nothing artificial about it. I always believe that the easy way is the right way. Jeet Kune-Do is simply the direct expression of one's feelings with the minimum of movements and energy. The closer to the true way of Kung Fu, the less wastage of expression there is. Finally, a Jeet Kune Do man who says Jeet Kune Do is exclusively Jeet Kune Do is simply not with it. He is still hung up on his self-closing resistance, in this case anchored down to reactionary pattern, and naturally is still bound by another modified pattern and can move within its limits. He has not digested the simple fact that truth exists outside all molds; pattern and awareness is never exclusive. Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back."
- Bruce Lee
Arnot Wadsworth said:Thanks Chris - I think you hit the nail on the head. I also wonder sometimes who these people are who don't list their names and addresses and phone numbers. I think they would be a lot more careful if they would use their own names etc.
I personally am trying to be more tactful - it sure is hard
Well -
As noted Im not a cuemaker.
One thing I found interesting was my buddy $takehor$e had an old Joss cue, very old. Not marked but according to Rick Howard, our buddy, it was a Joss cue.
It was shown to most of the dealers at the DCC, and those guys are pretty good at identifing cues. None were sure, but most thought it might be a Joss but not sure. The inlays were off, not a little, but maybe 1/8th of an inch at least. Almost all, if not all, of the dealers stated that they were sure they inlays were done by someone else, they were really that bad.
Rick Howard still said it was ALL Joss. His point was nobody cared if it was off a slight amount or if the points were all the same, etc. at the time that cue was built.
My friend sent it to Joss for verification and refinish. He said it was all him, and offered it was one of his first 5 (I think) cues he ever built. I think the thread on the screw was the 5/16 -18, and he said he used some of them early too.
So I guess I look at this thread and shake my head a little.
It seems our expections have changed.
Just a funny observation from the sidelines.
Ken
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Sheldon said:
WOW!!! Great eye for detail! I thought I was the only one who would see that :wink: (IMO: the builder actually sacrificed a little bit of the ring alignment and focused more on the grain alignment- at least according to my eyes- lol!)
When I first started, I used to make damn sure that I used the same piece of maple if I used maple for the forearm and butt sleeve. Mostly because maples have different hues as YOU know. And from day 1, I made sure the spines lined up- that detail just comes natural. It wasn't until a few weeks later that I realized that the shaft has a spine as well
I modeled my cues after South West.
South West rarely, if ever, line their C&D rings up. That to me, would be the easiest place to achieve this. Why, I do not know...
PS. I did not spend time reading this entire thread, so if that point was mentioned earlier, I do apologize in advance.
Best~
Chris.
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Unless you have a kurfless saw, there is no way the outer end two rings can ever be aligned. At best they could be centered.
I like the way he has turned the pieces around and changed the direction of the grain.
I also like the small radius in the handle and shaft. It reduces chipping at the joint.
I like the fact that it is not perfect. It catches your attention. Most things in nature are not perfect either.
Neil
I like the way he has turned the pieces around and changed the direction of the grain.
I also like the small radius in the handle and shaft. It reduces chipping at the joint.
I like the fact that it is not perfect. It catches your attention. Most things in nature are not perfect either.
Neil