Why Don't Some Of The pros put on tournaments?

[jamesroberts]

KwikFire tour folded. What I said was 1 or 2 pros from each state put on a few tournaments a year. I'm sure there is 1 or 2 rooms in each state that would be glad to host a 16 player tournaments with pros if they didn't have to add anything. One of the big problems for the pros is that the US is such a large area= big travel expense, and this would put a lot of tournaments with in driving distance in most areas. I also think 1 day would be enough for a 16 player duble elim tournament. Johnnyt

You know I said something similar a while back,
Lets have a 16 man event with 200-500 entry fee
race to 15 single elim
if you cant have this event in the tampa area, then you probably cant have it. Look at all the players that would play
1. Tony Crosby
2. Corey Deuel
3. Rodney Morris
4. Donny Mills
5. Mike Davis
6. Justin Hall
7. Max Eberle
8. James Roberts
9. Jason Richko
10. Han Berber
11. Dave Ross
12. Butch Croft
13. Adam Wheeler
14. Neil Fujiwara
15. Tommy Kennedy
16. Richie Richeson

There are 16 players that live with 3 hours of one another and Im sure they would play, now where would the added money come from? whats the format? entry fee? payout

I would be interested in putting something on, not really sure where to start though

 

[jamesroberts]

I have said this before - there is ONE Pro that can put on a tour and it would be successful. One Pro that has gotten lots of backing, sponsorship, exhibition work outside of the pool world where there is real money. One Pro that is more popular and a household name and appeal inside and out of the pool world than any other.

Jeanette Lee - and they should have men and women events going on at the same time. One convention center/casino area rental fee - one tournament director fee - one travel expense fee for the equipment, promotors, players and fans.

Slow down buddy!!! You might get banned on here if you make too much sense, lets talk about something else, maybe aiming systems

 

[Johnnyt]

I have said this before - there is ONE Pro that can put on a tour and it would be successful. One Pro that has gotten lots of backing, sponsorship, exhibition work outside of the pool world where there is real money. One Pro that is more popular and a household name and appeal inside and out of the pool world than any other.

Jeanette Lee - and they should have men and women events going on at the same time. One convention center/casino area rental fee - one tournament director fee - one travel expense fee for the equipment, promotors, players and fans.

Good post and you're 100% correct. Many from out of billiards know who she is and she knows how to prmote. Johnnyt

 

[stuckart]

You know I said something similar a while back,
Lets have a 16 man event with 200-500 entry fee
race to 15 single elim
if you cant have this event in the tampa area, then you probably cant have it. Look at all the players that would play
1. Tony Crosby
2. Corey Deuel
3. Rodney Morris
4. Donny Mills
5. Mike Davis
6. Justin Hall
7. Max Eberle
8. James Roberts
9. Jason Richko
10. Han Berber
11. Dave Ross
12. Butch Croft
13. Adam Wheeler
14. Neil Fujiwara
15. Tommy Kennedy
16. Richie Richeson

There are 16 players that live with 3 hours of one another and Im sure they would play, now where would the added money come from? whats the format? entry fee? payout

I would be interested in putting something on, not really sure where to start though

If you can get these 16 to play for $500 entry, you could get some qualifiers or lower entry for Amateurs to play in the same tourney and bump the field to 32 players. Say $250 entry for them. There is your added money. Now you have 12K in the pot. Pay out the top 8 spots,

1st $5000
2nd $3000
3rd $1500
4th $1000
5/6th $500
5/6th $500
7/8th $250
7/8th $250

Races to 9 - 9/10 ball, Double Elimination, Run it over 2 days where top 8 return on Sunday in the money. Heck, run a 2nd chance on Sunday with $100 entry or added money from room, door, sponsors, whoever for the players that didn't cash in the main tournament.

Just some ideas......

 

[watchez]

Jeanette doesn't seem to have her own personal email address listed but I think all pool fans should start sending her emails to

Teddy.Bloch@octagon.com

and ask her to save pool.

Also, I love what Mark Griffin does for pool but instead of spending his energy (or any energy) monitoring and chastising Behrman (because Behrman is going to live on this 35 year reputation that he has personified and justified no matter what), Mr. Griffin needs to get together with the Seminole Tribe and put on bigger and better events or a legitimate tour. Mark made the statement that he cares what Behrman does and his actions cause it might make future sponsors shy away. Well, in the same respect, he should care what the people that seem to do everything 100% right are doing and put his efforts into working with them. Just saying.

 

[pulzcul]

We all remember vividly when our opponent "lucked out" on us. But almost instantly forget when we do it to some one else. LOL thats our nature I guess.

 

[watchez]

We all remember vividly when our opponent "lucked out" on us. But almost instantly forget when we do it to some one else. LOL thats our nature I guess.

Exactly.....but what does that have to do with this thread?

 

[pulzcul]

If you build it they will come! Seriuosly. promote a $1000 buy in OPEN. the pro's will come. Along with every high roller in the country. I don't think you have to keep the entry fee's low to get players. Wouldn't surprise me to see a couple hundred players show up.

 

[pulzcul]

NO, we shouldn't be in favor of ANY rule change that is an advantage for the more skillful player.

First off, the better players should and will win the vast majority of all tournaments regardless of how much luck is involved with pool.

Luck is an integral part of practically ANY SPORT or game. The attempt to eliminate the luck factor entirely from the sport of pocket billiards seems to me, to be counter-productive, if we are interested in the massess getting behind the sport.

The public likes to see the underdog make a run against the big dog. They always have and always will. (Just to add, even with the underdog making a run after the big dog, the big dog will almost always come out on top, even with a little luck accidentally dumped in the lap of the underdog. )

A little luck can keep things exciting but the winners will almost always be the big dogs because luck goes both ways.

JoeyA

Sorry I got a little off base. I was responding to Joeys post.

 

[jamesroberts]

If you can get these 16 to play for $500 entry, you could get some qualifiers or lower entry for Amateurs to play in the same tourney and bump the field to 32 players. Say $250 entry for them. There is your added money. Now you have 12K in the pot. Pay out the top 8 spots,

1st $5000
2nd $3000
3rd $1500
4th $1000
5/6th $500
5/6th $500
7/8th $250
7/8th $250

Races to 9 - 9/10 ball, Double Elimination, Run it over 2 days where top 8 return on Sunday in the money. Heck, run a 2nd chance on Sunday with $100 entry or added money from room, door, sponsors, whoever for the players that didn't cash in the main tournament.

Just some ideas......

I dont think that would happen, look at the us open ten ball model, they run qualifiers but I dont see amateurs really wanting to play in open events, its more like a punishment to them.

Look at the fatboy challenge, how many of those players would play if 10 k wasnt added, lets say there is a 1k added.
I dont think you would get 8, why would I play someone even in a tourney when I could get a spot gambling for the same money

 

[Bob Jewett]

If you build it they will come! Seriously. promote a $1000 buy in OPEN. the pro's will come. Along with every high roller in the country. I don't think you have to keep the entry fee's low to get players. Wouldn't surprise me to see a couple hundred players show up.

Wasn't Allen Hopkins' million-dollar tournament based on this idea? I don't recall that many players.

Since it costs around $1000 to go to a tournament, the average net result of your scheme is -$1000 per player. That doesn't help. Without advertisers/sponsors nearly everyone loses.

 

[justnum]

Wasn't Allen Hopkins' million-dollar tournament based on this idea? I don't recall that many players.

Since it costs around $1000 to go to a tournament, the average net result of your scheme is -$1000 per player. That doesn't help. Without advertisers/sponsors nearly everyone loses.

What if the pros developed a buddy system and local billiards people opened up their homes for free room and board?

The more expensive alternative is to group regional players together and rent a van. And then shop around for cheaper room and board. If players do drive they can do it as a group, yea its tough but these are tougher economic times.

 

[stouter2386]

I think as most pros sit around waiting for their worlds to change or someone to hand them a bone. What they don't realize is it is within their own grasp to make change happen. You can't really change the world but can certainly change your own world and take a few others along with you. For example, any player or room owner for that matter can do monthly challenge matches that can also be streamed. Two or four players head to head or ring games etc. By themselves these are not big events but will benefit at least a few and provide the public with the feeling something is going on in the sport. There are plenty of ideas.

This isnt a bad idea, maybe some room owners could chime in on this with a opinion