Why don't sporting goods stores?

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Carry good quality billiard accessories? You can go to Sports Authority and get top quality golf clubs but all you can get in cues is Sportscraft. The tables they sell aren't even slate. What gives? Is it that the demand is not high enough to carry higher dollar items? Or are the billiard companies not trying to get there stuff in main stream sporting good stores? I would think they would do great carrying cues in the 100-300 range, people pay that much for golf clubs why not cues? I mean if they are worried about the price then start off with Players or Viper or Lucky cues which are all under $100. I have alot of customers that tell me they want to buy a good cue but can't find one at a sporting good store and didn't know they would have to go to a billiard store to get one. It would be so much easier if you could go to your local sporting goods store and pick up some quality billiard items. I mean come on, they don't even carry master chalk. What do you guys think on the subject?
 
Carry good quality billiard accessories? You can go to Sports Authority and get top quality golf clubs but all you can get in cues is Sportscraft. The tables they sell aren't even slate. What gives? Is it that the demand is not high enough to carry higher dollar items? Or are the billiard companies not trying to get there stuff in main stream sporting good stores? I would think they would do great carrying cues in the 100-300 range, people pay that much for golf clubs why not cues? I mean if they are worried about the price then start off with Players or Viper or Lucky cues which are all under $100. I have alot of customers that tell me they want to buy a good cue but can't find one at a sporting good store and didn't know they would have to go to a billiard store to get one. It would be so much easier if you could go to your local sporting goods store and pick up some quality billiard items. I mean come on, they don't even carry master chalk. What do you guys think on the subject?
I don't think there is a very profit margin in pool tables and cues are a head ache, ask any pool room owner. One bad roll and no one wants to buy the cue. Cues can go bad sitting on the shelf like fresh fruit. Heck, half the production cues are not even straight when you get them. They would be having to give refunds all over the place.
 
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I don't think there is a very profit margin in pool tables and cues are a head ache, ask any pool room owner. One bad roll and no one wants to buy the cue. Cues can go bad sitting on the shelf like fruit. Heck, half the production cues are not even straight when you get them. They would be having to give refunds all over the place.

That makes sense. Never thought of it that way. If I had the choice though I'd rather carry a $40 Players cue than a $40 sportscraft. The sportscraft has less of a chance than being straight than a Players cue does. But I can understand your point. Maybe carry cues with warranties from the manufacturer that cover warpage? I know McDermott has cues for around $100 that have lifetime warranties that cover warpage. Other companies have similar warranties. I would think carrying better quality products would be ideal but IDK.'
 
The revenue generated by billiard equipment is perhaps comparatively low compared to other sporting equipment. How often would they sell a $250 cue compared to Tennis shoes that cost $100 a pair. The store has only so much space. Some of the Rec centers that sell pool tables have no clue about cues and do not carry name brand production cues. I've certaintly not been in every Billiard/home rec store but of the ones I have visited I've never seen a Schon or even a McDermott.

Another thing to consider is that for many people 'pool' just isn't a sport.


Carry good quality billiard accessories? You can go to Sports Authority and get top quality golf clubs but all you can get in cues is Sportscraft. The tables they sell aren't even slate. What gives? Is it that the demand is not high enough to carry higher dollar items? Or are the billiard companies not trying to get there stuff in main stream sporting good stores? I would think they would do great carrying cues in the 100-300 range, people pay that much for golf clubs why not cues? I mean if they are worried about the price then start off with Players or Viper or Lucky cues which are all under $100. I have alot of customers that tell me they want to buy a good cue but can't find one at a sporting good store and didn't know they would have to go to a billiard store to get one. It would be so much easier if you could go to your local sporting goods store and pick up some quality billiard items. I mean come on, they don't even carry master chalk. What do you guys think on the subject?
 
That makes sense. Never thought of it that way. If I had the choice though I'd rather carry a $40 Players cue than a $40 sportscraft. The sportscraft has less of a chance than being straight than a Players cue does. But I can understand your point. Maybe carry cues with warranties from the manufacturer that cover warpage? I know McDermott has cues for around $100 that have lifetime warranties that cover warpage. Other companies have similar warranties. I would think carrying better quality products would be ideal but IDK.'

You're comparing $40 RETAIL cues here ~ the wholesale on Sportcraft cues is considerable lower (and personally , the highest retail I've EVER seen on a Sportcraft is $27.95 ! - they have a 2pc decal with a wrap that RETAILS for $6.95 , and I'm NOT allowed to tell you how low dealer cost is on that!). Of course , the quality is lower , but those sporting goods chains are looking at cost per unit and mark-up.
Some sporting goods chains , such as Dick's here in Florida , do at least carry lower-end production cues (i.e. Cuetech) .
But the bottom line is , very few walk-in consumers have ANY idea of the quality and value invoved in differing price points . How many times has a friend or relative , who knows nothing of the sport , but knows you're 'a poolplayer' given you a Wal-mart cue as a gift with a great big smile on their face ? Then you , as the grateful recipient , forced the smile and thanked them heartily for their thoughtful gift ?
Many retailers and their wholesale buyers are thouroughly un- or under- educated on our equipment , and sadly , the hucksters of off-shore cues and equipment prey on this . Sears , a retail giant , does try to offer different grades of all the products they sell , rating them as "good" , "better" , and "Sears Best" . Unfortunately , a few years ago , one of the Champions of our sport approached them (with his SUPERIOR knowledge of our sport and it's equipment),and offered to supply all three grades of cues , signing them to a multi-year contract . Unfortunately , his supplied "Sears Best" cue would be considered as barely entry-level by most knowledgable players . . . but the buyers at Sears bowed to his reputation ( and low cost-per-unit !)
Why do the sporting goods chains carry good golf clubs ? Because they are dealing with a large and informed public . The name Calloway isn't just on the cover of mainstream sports magazines like Sports Illustrated , it's on Playboy and Newsweek too ! If McDermott or Viking had that kind of press , there'd be an outcry for their product , and the stores would bow to demand !
 
I mean if they are worried about the price then start off with Players or Viper or Lucky cues which are all under $100.

Actually, Academy Sports and Outdoors carries the Viper Platinum series cues. I bought one once for my wall rack and it surprisingly plays fairly well for a $38 + tax cue (after doing a tip change, of course).

Maniac
 
Actually, Academy Sports and Outdoors carries the Viper Platinum series cues. I bought one once for my wall rack and it surprisingly plays fairly well for a $38 + tax cue (after doing a tip change, of course).

Maniac

I would have thought more stores would want to carry stuff like that but what ridinda9 says makes alot of sense. The average person is gonna buy a cue based on looks and those $10 sportscraft cues look just as good as the Vipers, Cuetech, etc. Maybe one day pool will be mainstream enough to be able to go to Big 5 and pick up a Viking but for now I guess we'll just have to go to our billiard stores or online. I mean it doesn't hurt my business that the big chain stores don't carry quality stuff so I guess I can't complain.
 
When schon started selling cues on the walmart webpage, everyone thought it was terrible that a nice cue maker would sell at a department store.
 
I never knew Sports Authority sold anything of high quality. Most of their stuff is low to medium quality. I never saw a really nice piece of weightlifting equipment. or Tennis racquet or fishing rod. Dont know about golfing stuff since I do not golf.

On the issue of warranties in the cue market.

Most customers never want to do what is required to do a warranty claim. Fill out forms online or mail their receipt to the company.
It is built into the price usually. Cant do that with a $40 cue.
Most warpage is from abuse/ neglect and not covered in most cases.
Customers want the retailers to do all the paperwork FOR them when dealing with the cue manufacturer.

Its much easier to teach someone how to properly care and maintain their cue than to deal with the hassle of a claiming a warranty issue that will be denied. This builds on customer relations better than a faceless warranty.

I have a clearance case filled with 30-40 warped or damaged cues...I sell out of there all the time. Plenty of people want a cheap cue and dont care about a little wobble. Great for their girlfriend they don't want to spend money on; or their kid, that will be sword fighting with the cue in a month anyways. Selling cues definitely has a lot more profit than renting pool tables by the hour. Retail has kept our doors open for over 40 years, not pool time.
 
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In the eyes of department store demographics, we're hardcore enthusiasts and our sport isn't mainstream enough to be profitable in volume. We're not their primary customers. It doesn't matter whether the sport is biking, paintball or billiards. If we were on a cyclist forum, then this thread would be complaining why don't they carry Treks or Cannondale, but just have bikes that don't retail more than $150.
 
I never knew Sports Authority sold anything of high quality. Most of their stuff is low to medium quality. I never saw a really nice piece of weightlifting equipment. or Tennis racquet or fishing rod. Dont know about golfing stuff since I do not golf.


A buddy of mine accidentally left his ball glove in the back of his truck, and it got SOAKED in a heavy downpour (and we were playing in a tournament out of town). We go to the local Sports Authority and try to find him something at least half way decent to play with for the remainder of the tourney....I found him a Wilson A2000 glove that was apparently there by mistake (not another one in the entire store). It was marked $69.95 and all gloves were an extra 15% off of the marked price....lol, this glove retails online for $250. OOPS!! I'm sure this doesn't happen much at S.A. often. My buddy, though, was tickled pink...it was WAY better than his soggy glove that cost $50 more! :cool:

BTW, for those not in the know on baseball gear, that find is equivalent to finding a Schon in amongst the Minnesota Fats light up butt cues, for only a few dollars more.
 
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